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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-06-2003, 09:03 PM Thread Starter
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tie down question

how well do bikes stay upright without wheel chocks when using tie downs in the back of an enclosed trailer?

doesn't look like the chocks will be in in time to go to gingerman.

if i tie them down front and back without chocks, will they remain upright during the journey?

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 05-06-2003, 09:16 PM
 
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I transported a bike in the back of a ford ranger for florida to here with only front tie downs, one on each side. You just have to pull them so tight that the forks compress a little.
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i would always suggest doing the front with a canyon dancer (wraps around the handle bar ends) and then use tie downs from the rear (both sides) and that thing wont move a bit...its been done that way since man made a motorcycle



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How smooth is the trailer floor? Maybe add some nonslip strips to the floor where the tires will be. When you tie down in the back of a truck you have sort of a rail in the bed of the truck. If you are really worried throw together a wood frame that will keep the tires from going side to side.

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You want the majority of he weight of the biek ot be naturally restrained.... i.e. the front fork normally takes the greatest load, so you want the front wheel held so that it cannot turn or roll forward.

The rear straps are only to help stablize the bike and to keep the rear en from bouncing up. THe front straps must be tight enouhg that if the fork compresses, the straps cannot come loose.

A good rule is tighten the front 2/3rds of the total fork travel...approx +2" and the rear only needs about 1".

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-do not use the side stand ot help support the bike!
-leave the bike in gear


I won't worry at all about the tires sliding side ot side.... most of the lateral forces are appied ot the straps. The bike won't "walk" aroudn on you if the straps are secure.

Fun fact for the day courtesy of my Packaging Dynamics class in college.... A Common myth about traillers and objects transproted inside of them is that heavier objects will not move around as much as lighter ones. FALSE - although the friction that resists sliding is greater on a heaver object with the same size footprint, bumps in the road accelerate all objects equally regardless of weight. SO if you hit a bump and a 10g's are applied for 0.1ms.... a 1 ton chunk of iron and a large block of styrofoam will jump off the floor momentarily the same amount.

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How smooth is the trailer floor? Maybe add some nonslip strips to the floor where the tires will be. When you tie down in the back of a truck you have sort of a rail in the bed of the truck. If you are really worried throw together a wood frame that will keep the tires from going side to side.
i do have a nonslip trailer floor. I painted it with outdoor porch and patio paint and mixed in the BEHR nonslip additive (looked like really fine sand) the floor is gritty now.

So it sounds like as long as i make sure the forks are compressed and the rear is "stabilized" by an additional set of straps i soud be ok?

i usually have a chock but since it's a new trailer, i haven't got them installed yet. I got i set of canyon dancer and will use just webbing looped around the handlebars for the other set.

Thanx guys!!! just didn't want TP5's MV laying on it's side when we arrive at gingerman

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Cherry, you do want the bike in gear or you do not want the bike in gear? I was never sure about that.

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Cherry, you do want the bike in gear or you do not want the bike in gear? I was never sure about that.
I always do. Just incase one set of straps loosens up significantly it will help reduce soem of the strain. It also keeps the bike from rolling after you loosen the straps if you unload on an incline by yourself. You can then use it as a rear brake when unloading too.
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The unloading part makes sense, but all that bouncing around while traveling can't be good for the trans locked in gear.

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The unloading part makes sense, but all that bouncing around while traveling can't be good for the trans locked in gear.
The rear wheel should not be moving when it's strapped down. Adn if it is, you want the tranny to prevent the bike from rolling around. Regardless, the modern trannys are so robust it's like being worried about punching a hole through a cinder block walll with a rubber mallet. I'm terrible at shifting and mercilessly abuse my tranny on and off the track, 34k miels later, it still works just fine.
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Just a warning, be careful when you tie down the front end, use as little force as possible. It is better to tighten down the rear of the bike and lightly tie down the front, to avoid the forks/triples getting tweaked. This is the same recommendation that Jim at 4&6/computrack will give you. Excessive tightening of the front end can tweak it.
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We never leave our bikes in gear, nor have we ever had a problem with excessive movement.

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Pugs.....butt the front tire against the front wall of the trailer. Use the front d-rings and your foot begs to wedge it agianst the front wall of the trailer. Ratchet the front down just snug enough to load the front end a little. Tie down the rear subframe for good measure to the rear d-rings.
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I've read that ideally you want the bike to be floating between the front and rear. Not too much shock compression also to allow it to do its job. So actually a chock isn't necessary but is very helpful loading the bike.

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