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http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/...ar-12.17b.html
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Toshiba has developed a new class of micro size Nuclear Reactors that is designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks. The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses or even a group of neighbors who are fed up with the power companies and want more control over their energy needs.

The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.

Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.

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I'm really curious as to how much this bad boy will cost. I'm also curious which allegedly 'green' municipality will ban them first. I say the freaks in San Fransisco.

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How much is it? I know its 5 cents per kW/h but what if it takes 20 years to pay off in the first place.

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How much is it? I know its 5 cents per kW/h but what if it takes 20 years to pay off in the first place.
They will probably set up some sort of leasing program. So, you would just choose the provider and lease the quipment similar to Comcast with digital cable boxes.

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im thinking that anything nuclear isn't something the average consumer can buy.

scary ideas like dirty bombs come to mind.

dont get me wrong, im ALL for nuclear power (cheap, clean, etc) but im a little afraid of something like this.

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At 200 kilowatts, this is not the sort of thing you're going to install at home, unless you've got the sort of home that takes up a whole city block and has a full-time paid staff.

It is likely to be a leased-cogeneration type arrangement, where some company leases you the equipment and sets up the metering, etc. That might eliminate the concerns about dirty bombs and so on, since there's a little more oversight involved. More technical expertise and so on. This is obviously not something you want shadetree physicists to be poking a screwdriver into when it breaks.

Best deal would be to be able to send the surplus power back to the grid at market prices, which would pay up to around $18 an hour or so in the summer, but you'd also need to buy a lot more grid capacity to handle that which means (surprise) higher electric rates. Sorry.

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scary ideas like dirty bombs come to mind.
Not all nuclear material can be used for making nuclear weapons. To make a nuclear weapon you must use very high grade nuclear material. If you read the article, it says the reactor runs on Lithium-6 isotopes not nuclear material like uranium and plutonium which is used in the big reactors. From what I read in the comments of the article, I don't think that the Lithium-6 in the reactor can be used for weapons. I think its a good idea, especially for large companies, factories, universities etc which can utilize the amount of power this can put out.

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I'm really curious as to how much this bad boy will cost. I'm also curious which allegedly 'green' municipality will ban them first. I say the freaks in San Fransisco.
I'll take that bet and say CA based groups will be the first in line for them.

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There are competing technologies at lower costs and fewer concerns.

Applications like this reactor are for space, military, or sea. Overkill for commercial use.

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it was mr. fusion!! get it straight sucka!

I think his post was a pun, as these reactors are fission-type, not fusion.

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I think his post was a pun, as these reactors are fission-type, not fusion.
Are there any fusion reactors in operation right now? I was under the impression that there is no "container" that can with stand the pressure/heat/forces from a fusion reaction. I did hear that extremely strong magnets were being tested for this purpose.

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Yes, one. In fact you can see it from your house on a clear day.
I meant man made fusion reactors.

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I meant man made fusion reactors.
Sure there is. Or was. The first Hydrogen bomb

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Are there any fusion reactors in operation right now? I was under the impression that there is no "container" that can with stand the pressure/heat/forces from a fusion reaction. I did hear that extremely strong magnets were being tested for this purpose.
I thought I saw a successful test of a fussion reaction on Science or Discovery.. They seem to think they could have a reactor up by 2020.... mad power supply.
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Sure there is. Or was. The first Hydrogen bomb

Oh, you mean a Sustainable Fusion Reactor? France is working on building one.
China and an Asian consortium are working on them too...

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Looks like this might be coming pretty soon! Cheap energy FTW!
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The miniature reactors will be factory-sealed, contain no weapons-grade material, have no moving parts and will be nearly impossible to steal because they will be encased in concrete and buried underground.

The US government has licensed the technology to Hyperion, a New Mexico-based company which said last week that it has taken its first firm orders and plans to start mass production within five years. 'Our goal is to generate electricity for 10 cents a watt anywhere in the world,' said John Deal, chief executive of Hyperion. 'They will cost approximately $25m [13m] each. For a community with 10,000 households, that is a very affordable $250 per home.'
Electricity that cheap, the Chevy Volt and other "plug-in" hybrids, I'd not be investing in COP or XOM for the long haul

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Ok, so how long till the oil companies buy this technology and it disappears?

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Ok, so how long till the oil companies buy this technology and it disappears?
Depends on how long it takes for everyone to get their tinfoil hats on.

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More importantly, how long is the half-life on the waste material? Storage of radioactive waste might end up costing more than the power these deliver in the long run.

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Awesome! More Nuclear waste to live at the bottom of the ocean when it's burned up.

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