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I'm thinking of pickin up 2 waverunners for me, my wife, and daughter to blast around Lake Michigan this summer. Problem is, I never owned one and haven't the slighters clue of which model is best. Honda, Yamaha, SeaDoo, which manufacturer makes the best for all around use? If you have one, some feedback would be highly appreciated. Thanks...
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I have an old SeaDoo at my family's lakehouse. those things last forever!!! Still runs as good as the day I got it. you should be able to pick up one that is a couple years old pretty dang cheap

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Oh and when i say it lasts forever, I mean mine is at least 10 years old now and still if fast. you just have to take care of them.

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Seadoo actually has the highest rate of break downs but they are the fastest. When I worked for the dealer (Seadoo and Kawi) and know friends that had them, Seadoo had more issues. Not that I would not own one but I would not get one without a warranty.

Honda ia fairly new but their brand is pretty solid. The new 4 strokes do not have the pick up of some of the 2 strokes from a couple years ago. I had a Kawi for years with no problems. I do not know much about Yamaha. I think you could be taking a chance buying used from a private party because most people do not know how to care for them. My friend bought a Seadoo RXP last year and the engine blew up the first day out. There is no place to test drive them. The seller would not take it back and he's SOL, spent like 6k. Unless you know how to work on them, buy one from a dealer IMO or have it checked out.
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does lake michigan get warm enough to jet ski in?

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does lake michigan get warm enough to jet ski in?
Yes it does. It gets warm enough to swim in.

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Yes it does. It gets warm enough to swim in.
yeah, in august. and besides, when it does get warm enough to swim in, its not clean enough.

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You must have grown up in a different era as Lake Michigan is cleaner than ever. I boat and swim in it every summer. I've ingested plenty of water straight from Lake Michigan and have never gotten sick. I also boat and wake board on the Fox river, now that is dirty.

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this is pretty chilli. Yes, you can swim in it, but its pretty cold...


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^^^^ agree I boat and Jetski on the chain and its crap compared to the lake. nothing like watching the air show from a jet ski

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We had a Yamaha something or other on the back of the boat for 4 yrs and never had 1 problem with it - I can find the model if you want but the thing sat 2-3 comfortably and was fast as fuck - On flat water, I had it over 65 mph but who knows how accurate that is

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this is pretty chilli. Yes, you can swim in it, but its pretty cold...

You have to be in the tropics for it to get warmer than that. Yeah it's not ocean warm but it's quite refreshing to take a dip in the lake. It's not like you have to soak in the water for hours and hours.

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You have to be in the tropics for it to get warmer than that. Yeah it's not ocean warm but it's quite refreshing to take a dip in the lake. It's not like you have to soak in the water for hours and hours.
so basically, wearing a wet suit isn't a bad idea if you want to jet ski in the weather

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Unless you plan on getting soaked a lot, there really is not a need for a wet suit. Some people find it useful and others an irritant. Depends on how wild you want to get on your wave runner.

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Had a yamaha xl800 and was fun a nd flawless. The only problem with one now is it will cost you 100 bills to take it out for the day. Gas ain't what it used to be. Plus the older two strokes you gotta buy oil also.

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this is pretty chilli. Yes, you can swim in it, but its pretty cold...

when it's 90+ out 65 isn't too bad
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I used mine on the MI side of the lake. The water seemed to get in to the 70's on a regular basis, no ecoli either. Those damn cheeseheads and their sewer problems..
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Had a 92 Waverunner VRX Pro. Wasnt the fastest thing on the water, but it was alot more durable than many of the new ones (I used to run a creek off the river with it). I used to take mine out in feb on the river here where it didnt freeze. Put the dry suit on and off I went. For summer I used a barefot suit with built in floatation.

Either way make sure you check it out everytime you go out. Sucks ass getting stranded in the middle of a lake. Make damn sure you got a fire extinguisher onboard (why you have to have one on a pwc I havent the clue since if its a burning, you sure as hell dont want to be near it).

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Is it better to get a 2stroke or 4stroke for a waverunner? Or are they all 4stroke now a days? And is there a minimum engine size required to pull a water skier? I've always been a skeptic to buying used, because I don't know how the other party maintained it, so I might pay the extra buck and get em both new from the dealer. Further feedback is appreciated.
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Lots of fun.. It's had it's share of problems.. No engine failures, broken throttle cable, speedo stopped working, the controls that move the jet up and down (to list or drop the nose) stopped working... All of that in the first 10-15 hours.. (That said, I only put about 5 hours on it the first year and maybe 10 the second) ....

Overall I would go with one again... Chances are it will be a big 3 seater next.. Something a bit more stable...

On the speed thing... When I got mine I heard the Seadoo was the quickest, but the Kawi was the fastest top end.. Now with the Supercharged 4 strokes.. I don't know...

I was loving the RXP as well, I just think we need something a bit more tame. The XP is fun like a motorcycle, but difficult to ride 2 up or for other people to ride (my step mother wont even get on the XP)

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Is it better to get a 2stroke or 4stroke for a waverunner? Or are they all 4stroke now a days? And is there a minimum engine size required to pull a water skier? I've always been a skeptic to buying used, because I don't know how the other party maintained it, so I might pay the extra buck and get em both new from the dealer. Further feedback is appreciated.
If you plan on pulling tubes or ski's get a 3 seater... Not that the cops are out that often, but I understand it's a pretty hefty ticket if you get caught.
You need room for a rider, a spotter, and for the tuber/skiier to fit on the ski.

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a waverunner is ok, but it's only going to be fun for a short blast. A stand up jetski is the way to go. I picked up a cheap kawi 650 last year and want to upgrade to a 750 or 800 this year. Much more fun then a waverunner. Does take some getting used too and not for very big guys. I would say anything over 260 would be tough. And you have to be super careful buying used. They can wear out , and there is a lot to wear out. If it's been in salt water just walk away. On an RXI plan on an engine rebuild every 100-150 hours.

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My , If you don't have a lake house, save your money for a boat, you won't get as much use out of the jetskis, no matter how fast or reliable they are.

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My , If you don't have a lake house, save your money for a boat, you won't get as much use out of the jetskis, no matter how fast or reliable they are.
Funny. I didnt live on a lake and got more use out of my waverunner than my boat. Boat took 2 people to load and unload due to size. Also cant do nose spins with the boat like I could with the waverunner or cut through shallow areas like creek riding from the river to a small park a mile up the creek. Boats generally dont do well in 12"-18" deep water.

As for 2 or 4 stroke. 2 strokes are being phased out in pretty much all powersports. Not sre on when its gonna be mandatory to sel only new 4 strokes but its probably not that far off.
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Funny. I didnt live on a lake and got more use out of my waverunner than my boat. Boat took 2 people to load and unload due to size. Also cant do nose spins with the boat like I could with the waverunner or cut through shallow areas like creek riding from the river to a small park a mile up the creek. Boats generally dont do well in 12"-18" deep water.

As for 2 or 4 stroke. 2 strokes are being phased out in pretty much all powersports. Not sre on when its gonna be mandatory to sel only new 4 strokes but its probably not that far off.
Valid points, but I was speaking about something for Lake Michigan. I think you'd get more use out of something like this (used of course):


Or a nicely used Jet Boat:


Either way, it's something you can rip around the lake if you want, cruise leisurely if you want, sunbathe if you want, etc.

Jetskis are fun to whip around in, but after that's over, there really isn't much use for them. That was my only point.

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I have driven my share of jet boats like the one pictured above and they are only good for ponds and rivers or the lake on a calm day. Wave runner would be more fun and easier to launch.

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I used to have a Yamaha GP1200R an loved it, but I agree with the jet boat idea. They are super easy to launch, have a shallow draft and you can still go out with 4 or 5 other people. Also the storage on a boat is way better. You can tow a skier or wakeboard behind a PWC, but I honestly cant see why anyone would want to do that. I does need to be a larger craft, you need a driver, spotter and a skier. This kind of goes back to the storage, where are you gonna keep a tow rope, set of skis or board, three people and lifejackets at a minimum. I am looking into getting an older (2003) Yamaha AR210. I think I should be able to find one for about 10K.
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I used to have a Yamaha GP1200R an loved it, but I agree with the jet boat idea. They are super easy to launch, have a shallow draft and you can still go out with 4 or 5 other people. Also the storage on a boat is way better. You can tow a skier or wakeboard behind a PWC, but I honestly cant see why anyone would want to do that. I does need to be a larger craft, you need a driver, spotter and a skier. This kind of goes back to the storage, where are you gonna keep a tow rope, set of skis or board, three people and lifejackets at a minimum. I am looking into getting an older (2003) Yamaha AR210. I think I should be able to find one for about 10K.
whats the benefit of a jet boat when it gets to be that size? I kind of thought that the ar210 is a 21' boat. if thats the case, for $10K you can get a nice IO v8 powered runabout for about the same money. Or possibly even an older ski boat that will have PLENTY of power, and is purpose built. I was under the understanding that jet's don't have the same performance HP for HP as an I/O or dedicated Inboard. Also, being 2 stroke motors they take an extra level of care, and you have to feed them oil, which at almost $30 a gallon can make a weekend expensive in a hurry.

Also, I have read that jet boats have a little more tendency for the tail waggin' the dog when you are pulling a skier.

to me it seems that the benefit of a jet ski is it's size and over all speed, in much the same way as motorcycles. but once you jump up in size the jet propolsion stops being as big an asset.

please educate me, because I am not a boat owner, just a person who is interested in joining that club, and who has read some but is interested in learning alot more.

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