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If you can not succeed on your own, eliminate some of your competition by purchasing them. This is Microsoft's model. Google should be concerned..

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yea cause when people think search engine, they go to yahoo and msn.

http://www.submitsuite.com/blog/sear...hes-in-2007-91

bah i say. BAH! theres no competition there. google is built around their search engine, its what they do.

and the whole ordeal with netscape was because windows was being shipped on pcs and guess what browser they gave away free on the desktop to go with the os? IE.

they cant force people to go to these places. but what i do suspect in all current/future IE versions is yahoo put as the search engine on the toolbar. thats about it at most. and anyone that actually likes google will go to it.

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yea cause when people think search engine, they go to yahoo and msn.

bah i say. BAH!
I do. Yahoo works better for me, and apparently other according to some of the metrics out there.

I'm glad to see this. I'd love to see Google destroyed.

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I do. Yahoo works better for me, and apparently other according to some of the metrics out there.

I'm glad to see this. I'd love to see Google destroyed.
i can see that through the market share with yahoo and msn each have, merging together would give them just as much to compete with google (but barely they would still together only have like 30% versus google's 58%) but the truth of the matter is they were both subpar search engines to start with which is why google dominates. and msn has a lower market share than yahoo. so a company like ms, who is doing terribly with the search engine they already have, trying to buy one thats only slightly better, i dont think it matters much. cause to me they still dont know wtf to do with the search engine once they have it so itll just kind of sit there and not improve or innovate and that market share will begin to slip again.

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yea cause when people think search engine, they go to yahoo and msn.

http://www.submitsuite.com/blog/sear...hes-in-2007-91

bah i say. BAH! theres no competition there. google is built around their search engine, its what they do.

and the whole ordeal with netscape was because windows was being shipped on pcs and guess what browser they gave away free on the desktop to go with the os? IE.

they cant force people to go to these places. but what i do suspect in all current/future IE versions is yahoo put as the search engine on the toolbar. thats about it at most. and anyone that actually likes google will go to it.
Yeah but IE has little competition now. I'm just saying, when Microsoft decides it wants to do something, they will go full force. Understand what makes another company successful and go after it. Goggle will lose marketshare when it is all said and done. Just ask Sony about PS2..
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As far as quality of search engines, most people do not understand the differences enough to choose. They do what their machine is pre-loaded with or what they're used to.

Yahoo does have some features over Google. Yahoo Finance is more successful IMO. Yahoo Fantasy Sports, games.. ect.. I agree Google is better and prefer it..
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Yeah but IE has little competition now. I'm just saying, when Microsoft decides it wants to do something, they will go full force. Understand what makes another company successful and go after it. Goggle will lose marketshare when it is all said and done. Just ask Sony about PS2..
IE has little competition? theyve been losing market share every year to firefox and still are. the numbers are few and far between with IE7 & IE6 together having about 50% of the market with Firefox/Mozilla having 38% but more and more people are buying apple computers, especially since a lot of people are being slow to adopt vista and if it werent for IE7 being upgradeable on XP, they would have a lot lower numbers right now. and more people are installing linux (in fact linux passed apple in desktop os marketshare).

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As far as quality of search engines, most people do not understand the differences enough to choose. They do what their machine is pre-loaded with or what they're used to.

Yahoo does have some features over Google. Yahoo Finance is more successful IMO. Yahoo Fantasy Sports, games.. ect.. I agree Google is better and prefer it..
the fact of the matter is people jump on bandwagons, especially with computer trends (ipods, and now firefox purely by word of mouth) and google. when someone tells you to search something its become an actual term. you're told to "google it", google this google that. people go to google because its embedded in their brains to just do whatever people are suggesting. hence why windows is the leading OS. people dont actually like windows, people hate it. its buggy and unstable and full of viruses but people use it because it came preloaded on PCs with vendor lockins. they just want shit that works so put whatever you want in front of them just make sure the dipshit knows how to use it and theyll be happy. which i think has a lot to do with people switching to macs now. *cough* tony

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i can see that through the market share with yahoo and msn each have, merging together would give them just as much to compete with google (but barely they would still together only have like 30% versus google's 58%) but the truth of the matter is they were both subpar search engines to start with which is why google dominates. and msn has a lower market share than yahoo. so a company like ms, who is doing terribly with the search engine they already have, trying to buy one thats only slightly better, i dont think it matters much. cause to me they still dont know wtf to do with the search engine once they have it so itll just kind of sit there and not improve or innovate and that market share will begin to slip again.
Today you are correct but.....

Google's Adword model is in serious trouble and it's their main source of revenue. Microsoft does not depend on online advetising as a sole source of revenue and can offer many of it's products for free on Yahoo which Google is currently trying to develope.

Microsoft has never been focused on dominating the search engine market. It looks like they are now!
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Today you are correct but.....

Google's Adword model is in serious trouble and it's their main source of revenue. Microsoft does not depend on online advetising as a sole source of revenue and can offer many of it's products for free on Yahoo which Google is currently trying to develope.

Microsoft has never been focused on dominating the search engine market. It looks like they are now!
while adsense may be in trouble. google still dominates the market, and people will still purchase the pay for click advertising ads offered on the sides and such. and they will pay a premium to do it because of the traffic google logs. and when google is trading at $500+ a share, and reporting double quarter profits. i dont think they are in for as much of a bruisin as most people think.

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IE has little competition? theyve been losing market share every year to firefox and still are. the numbers are few and far between with IE7 & IE6 together having about 50% of the market with Firefox/Mozilla having 38% but more and more people are buying apple computers, especially since a lot of people are being slow to adopt vista and if it werent for IE7 being upgradeable on XP, they would have a lot lower numbers right now. and more people are installing linux (in fact linux passed apple in desktop os marketshare).

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the fact of the matter is people jump on bandwagons, especially with computer trends (ipods, and now firefox purely by word of mouth) and google. when someone tells you to search something its become an actual term. you're told to "google it", google this google that. people go to google because its embedded in their brains to just do whatever people are suggesting. hence why windows is the leading OS. people dont actually like windows, people hate it. its buggy and unstable and full of viruses but people use it because it came preloaded on PCs with vendor lockins. they just want shit that works so put whatever you want in front of them just make sure the dipshit knows how to use it and theyll be happy. which i think has a lot to do with people switching to macs now. *cough* tony
Where are you getting these percentages on IE? They seem way off. As far as people not liking Windows, you are referring more to people in the field, ect.. that understand the differences. For your average consumer, it is what they have at work and are accustomed to. They don't hate Windows, they don't know any better. Unless you're in the field or in to computers, I don't see anyome changing their browser from what their PC was loaded with. I remember years ago when Red Hat was going to take over the PC market, still waiting...

Google is a success but their potential for growth is very limited now. Google is the market share leader and will lose when and if this goes through. You're exactly right that MSFT will jam Yahoo desktop down on all new computers. That's another problem for Google..
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while adsense may be in trouble. google still dominates the market, and people will still purchase the pay for click advertising ads offered on the sides and such. and they will pay a premium to do it because of the traffic google logs. and when google is trading at $500+ a share, and reporting double quarter profits. i dont think they are in for as much of a bruisin as most people think.
While pay per click might generate lots of traffic it generates very few sales in my experience.
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Today you are correct but.....

Google's Adword model is in serious trouble and it's their main source of revenue. Microsoft does not depend on online advetising as a sole source of revenue and can offer many of it's products for free on Yahoo which Google is currently trying to develope.

Microsoft has never been focused on dominating the search engine market. It looks like they are now!
MS takes its sweet time to make sure it has its target sight set correctly.

It's not always about dominating a market. It's about injuring the competition and making them bleed to death because MS has more money and time to waste slowly strangling them than they (their target) have to put forth into survival. They can impact google's stock price in a minute if they want to with a simple press release and the google 'flare' will be gone. I believe they will take the company down that way and slowly make people stop giving google revenue.

For MS, it's not about being better.. it's about surviving the war. If you are in their target sights you are dead. As long as you never appear to be a threat to them or overtly act like a 'competitor' there can be an incredible symbiotic relationship... Google will die. It's just a question of when unless they can re-invent themselves to no longer 'compete' with MS.

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I was able to pull this, Burtash is correct on stats. 56% with IE.


Browser Statistics Month by Month
2007 IE7 IE6 IE5 Fx Moz S O
December 21.0% 33.2% 1.7% 36.3% 1.4% 1.7% 1.4%
November 20.8% 33.6% 1.6% 36.3% 1.2% 1.8% 1.6%
October 20.7% 34.5% 1.5% 36.0% 1.3% 1.7% 1.6%
September 20.8% 34.9% 1.5% 35.4% 1.2% 1.6% 1.5%
August 20.5% 35.7% 1.5% 34.9% 1.3% 1.5% 1.7%
July 20.1% 36.9% 1.5% 34.5% 1.4% 1.5% 1.9%
June 19.7% 37.3% 1.5% 34.0% 1.4% 1.5% 1.8%
May 19.2% 38.1% 1.6% 33.7% 1.3% 1.5% 1.7%
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MS takes its sweet time to make sure it has its target sight set correctly.

It's not always about dominating a market. It's about injuring the competition and making them bleed to death because MS has more money and time to waste slowly strangling them than they (their target) have to put forth into survival. They can impact google's stock price in a minute if they want to with a simple press release and the google 'flare' will be gone. I believe they will take the company down that way and slowly make people stop giving google revenue.

For MS, it's not about being better.. it's about surviving the war. If you are in their target sights you are dead. As long as you never appear to be a threat to them or overtly act like a 'competitor' there can be an incredible symbiotic relationship... Google will die. It's just a question of when unless they can re-invent themselves to no longer 'compete' with MS.
+1.. Well said. I don't know if Google will die but they may become insignificant.. I do not think the Youtube investment is paying off yet either..
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MS takes its sweet time to make sure it has its target sight set correctly.

It's not always about dominating a market. It's about injuring the competition and making them bleed to death because MS has more money and time to waste slowly strangling them than they (their target) have to put forth into survival. They can impact google's stock price in a minute if they want to with a simple press release and the google 'flare' will be gone. I believe they will take the company down that way and slowly make people stop giving google revenue.

For MS, it's not about being better.. it's about surviving the war. If you are in their target sights you are dead. As long as you never appear to be a threat to them or overtly act like a 'competitor' there can be an incredible symbiotic relationship... Google will die. It's just a question of when unless they can re-invent themselves to no longer 'compete' with MS.
that is more MS's style. but i still dont see how 2 search engines with shitty market share, losing market share nonetheless, is going to bleed out google whose business is searching.

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I hope not. They are one of our top clients. I can tell you that they saw this coming nearly 6 months ago and have been prepared for it. It's something they will deal with as it happens. The Google people aren't dummies. They have some of the best minds at that company - rivaling Microsoft. It will be a fight.

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I hope not. They are one of our top clients. I can tell you that they saw this coming nearly 6 months ago and have been prepared for it. It's something they will deal with as it happens. The Google people aren't dummies. They have some of the best minds at that company - rivaling Microsoft. It will be a fight.
exactly, i really dont see the competition here.

microsoft buying yahoo for 44 billion is like wanting to buy a '95 toyota camry for 250k

one extremely shitty search engine that cant do anything right, buying another extremely shitty search engine that cant do anything right either that used to be the prom queen back in the day but now is a 40yo fat alcoholic with a beergut and 10 foster kids is not going to equal positive gains.

on the plus side though microsoft will own a bunch of shitty java games and most of their own employees fantasy football teams.

so i guess they'll be on top.

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exactly, i really dont see the competition here.

microsoft buying yahoo for 44 billion is like wanting to buy a '95 toyota camry for 250k

one extremely shitty search engine that cant do anything right, buying another extremely shitty search engine that cant do anything right either that used to be the prom queen back in the day but now is a 40yo fat alcoholic with a beergut and 10 foster kids is not going to equal positive gains.

on the plus side though microsoft will own a bunch of shitty java games and most of their own employees fantasy football teams.

so i guess they'll be on top.
Just let history be your guide when it comes to MSFT. Browser market... bye bye Netscape... They own 53% as you said now. Game console... Sony is not the clear leader anymore but the market is fragmented between Nintendo, Sony and Xbox. MSFT has taken market share.

MSFT has tried some other avenues but failed.. The Zune will probably never make it. Mobile windows is in its... who knows ... 5th version. The fact is Google will lose market share, Microsoft will upgrade Yahoo to compete and market it.
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I hope not. They are one of our top clients. I can tell you that they saw this coming nearly 6 months ago and have been prepared for it. It's something they will deal with as it happens. The Google people aren't dummies. They have some of the best minds at that company - rivaling Microsoft. It will be a fight.
This will be a fight of the business planners, not the technologists. The technologists matter not when MS brings its guns to bear.

They can even lose this round, but it will leave google weaker and MS has the pockets, time and power to keep coming back around until they are eventually picked off completely. This is their strength and this is what google needs to fear most. If they can change and keep shifting into different markets where MS isn't and keep a step ahead they have a chance. If they dig their heels into the dirt and try to slug it out, I'm putting my money on MS... and I hate MS.. but I admire and respect their ability to kill companies with brute force.

Everyone Exaggerates

We're being taken for a ride... agaaaaaaain.....


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