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Rather than muddy up that other thread, let's hear some ideas. Metal detectors? Counseling? More Girls Gone Wild videos? CCW?

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What's CCW? Counseling won't work because the assholes who decide to do this type of thing seem to be introverts and have shown no intention of getting help for themselves. Metal detectors seem to be working ok for HS's I say that's the quickest solution. Only problem is someone has to man those things which means more overhead causing tuition to rise at an even higher rate than it already is.
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As long as we have fallen people living in a fallen world, this type thing will continue to happen. This is nothing new new, people have been killing each other for a very long time. The root problem is the sinfulness of people. Lay the axe to that root, if you want to see real results.

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What's CCW?
Carrying concealed weapon.

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CCW is not the solution, I think that will cause more problems.

Honestly, it's a tough problem to solve without giving up alot of our own freedoms. This shit is gonna continue to happen unfortunately... there are too many nutty fuckers out there.
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Teachers having the option to carry a weapon would be a good idea if you ask me. I'm not saying we make them carry one, but for instance, my wife has been trained in the safe use of firearms, if she had one in her class her students would be that much more protected. Much more so than having a full swat team, OUTSIDE, where they cant do anything without risking a childs life.

Yesterday if the teacher was packing, gunman enters, even if he gets one shot off, teacher takes one headshot.....rampage stopped... how many lives are saved?




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This is a huge variable in the equation as well. Kids have no discipline growing up any more so they know no consequences for thier actions. this kind of shit didnt happen as often back when we spanked our kids for doing wrong.




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Teachers having the option to carry a weapon would be a good idea if you ask me. I'm not saying we make them carry one, but for instance, my wife has been trained in the safe use of firearms, if she had one in her class her students would be that much more protected. Much more so than having a full swat team, OUTSIDE, where they cant do anything without risking a childs life.

Yesterday if the teacher was packing, gunman enters, even if he gets one shot off, teacher takes one headshot..... how many lives are saved?
I like this idea. It's similar to having armed US marshals on flights.

I'm all for CCW but only if it is implemented correctly. Personally I cringe at the thought of some of you clowns walking around with hand canons.

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Wait a second here. Lets go into a real scenario. Shooter walks in and open fires. How long would the people carrying have time to take the guy down before he hurts someone? Shooter will still be able to pull of 5-10 rounds before someone reacts quickly enough to knock him down, if they are accurate enough without hitting other innocent bystanders. That's a retarded idea if they aren't trained properly on real life situations, not just trained on how to operate a firearm safely.
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I like this idea. It's similar to having armed US marshals on flights.

I'm all for CCW but only if it is implemented correctly. Personally I cringe at the thought of some of you clowns walking around with hand canons.
+2, good idea Tony
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Wait a second here. Lets go into a real scenario. Shooter walks in and open fires. How long would the people carrying have time to take the guy down before he hurts someone? Shooter will still be able to pull of 5-10 rounds before someone reacts quickly enough to knock him down, if they are accurate enough without hitting other innocent bystanders. That's a retarded idea if they aren't trained properly on real life situations, not just trained on how to operate a firearm safely.
Training is all part of it. Same reason air marshalls go through soo much training.




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Wait a second here. Lets go into a real scenario. Shooter walks in and open fires. How long would the people carrying have time to take the guy down before he hurts someone? Shooter will still be able to pull of 5-10 rounds before someone reacts quickly enough to knock him down, if they are accurate enough without hitting other innocent bystanders. That's a retarded idea if they aren't trained properly on real life situations, not just trained on how to operate a firearm safely.
I just thought of something. If the shooters are aware that teachers are allowed to CCW then they'll just end up shooting the teacher first. FACK
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I think the root in most cases (and it is in this one) is mental illness not sinfulness. Yes there are evil people in the world, but metal illness is something that society just doesn't want to talk about and address seriously. We just sweep it under the rug.

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I just thought of something. If the shooters are aware that teachers are allowed to CCW then they'll just end up shooting the teacher first. FACK
Anything is a possibility. thats where training would come into play, If this were a law I were to write I would require full tactile training course, for every teacher who wants to be allowed to carry.




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I just thought of something. If the shooters are aware that teachers are allowed to CCW then they'll just end up shooting the teacher first. FACK
just let the students go to virtual classes in their bomb shelters

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Get rid of rampant political correctness and this problem will go away in a few generations.




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I just thought of something. If the shooters are aware that teachers are allowed to CCW then they'll just end up shooting the teacher first. FACK
It's just really sad that not only does a teacher have to teach but now he/she has to learn how to be fucking Rambo. Arming teachers is not the solution... better parenting and less nutty kids is the solution.

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Air marshals look like normal joe's.

We'd have to have "student marshals" in the classroom.
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Anything is a possibility. thats where training would come into play, If this were a law I were to write I would require full tactile training course, for every teacher who wants to be allowed to carry.
It seems like these fuggers are getting smarter and smarter about this though. Carefully planned, specific targets (from what I heard yesterday), and what not. Plus there's the element of surprise. The teacher could have his/her back turned when the asshole decides to whip out his arsenal. Could tactical training really help in this situation? Or how bout the teacher is enclosed in a bulletproof enclosure in each classroom? Man I'm just so pissed that this is actually a common problem now. ugh.
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It's just really sad that not only does a teacher have to teach but now he/she has to learn how to be fucking Rambo. Arming teachers is not the solution... better parenting and less nutty kids is the solution.

Unfortunatly, the media has been indoctrinating us with political correctness since the 80's and it has destroyed how we raise our children. If you cant turn that around, which is the cause, then you have no choice but to treat the symptoms of it.




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Teachers having the option to carry a weapon would be a good idea if you ask me. I'm not saying we make them carry one, but for instance, my wife has been trained in the safe use of firearms, if she had one in her class her students would be that much more protected. Much more so than having a full swat team, OUTSIDE, where they cant do anything without risking a childs life.

Yesterday if the teacher was packing, gunman enters, even if he gets one shot off, teacher takes one headshot.....rampage stopped... how many lives are saved?
Gosh, it has been a while, but I wouldn't trust 1/3 of my old teachers with a loaded gun. They are more likely to misuse it or misplace it. BTW, the grad student teaching was the first one shot. It is pretty tough to react in time to a guy just walking up to you with a shotgun and pulling the trigger. He had just a second or two to react. The whole deal was done start to finish in under 2 minutes.

Anyway, if someone is willing to "die for his cause" there isn't a whole lot you can do aside from beefing up security and there will always be gaps. Especially if someone is familiar with the lay of the land. Just be thankful that we don't have (yet) nut jobs walking in with vests packed with explosives and nails.

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Placing a temporary band-aid over the situation with more weapons is a possible solution. There is no way in hell you'd be able to train teachers, they are teachers, not militants.

Long-term solution is better parenting from the get-go. Look at the history of successful school shootings and all their backgrounds are fucked.
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Wait a second here. Lets go into a real scenario. Shooter walks in and open fires. How long would the people carrying have time to take the guy down before he hurts someone? Shooter will still be able to pull of 5-10 rounds before someone reacts quickly enough to knock him down, if they are accurate enough without hitting other innocent bystanders. That's a retarded idea if they aren't trained properly on real life situations, not just trained on how to operate a firearm safely.
one life saved is enough to make it worthwhile

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theres no solution to crazy.

you have to be crazy to straight up kill somebody just for the sake of killing. and that can strike at any time. and the only way to be prepared for it is to CCW.

you cant put metal detectors everywhere. someone can just shoot up on the street if they want to. its your right to defend your life cause this may be the only one you have and for some crazy prick to just take it away without a chance to defend yourself... well fuck that.

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Placing a temporary band-aid over the situation with more weapons is a possible solution. There is no way in hell you'd be able to train teachers, they are teachers, not militants.

Long-term solution is better parenting from the get-go. Look at the history of successful school shootings and all their backgrounds are fucked.

I beg to differ with these comments. The Army and my school districts thought I excelled in all areas.


Realistically most of the teachers I work with can't even clear a paper jam from the copier let alone figure out which way a bullet should go in a gun.

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I beg to differ with these comments. The Army and my school districts thought I excelled in all areas.


Realistically most of the teachers I work with can't even clear a paper jam from the copier let alone figure out which way a bullet should go in a gun.
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