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ak47 < m16 ?

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...tml?ESRC=eb.nl

just wondering what the rest of the folks think. I have not fired a m16 so i cant directly compare. is the m16 really better than an ak47?
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Who cares really just shows more money is being wasted for a country that will never change its ways or mentality

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IMO the AK47 is better than the M16.

It doesn't matter what we supply then with because in the long run they will be using it against us, maybe that's why they are supplying the M16's?
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Intersting that the US is using the Gilette model....free M-16s and then charge them quadruple for comparable ammo.
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My opinion on this has always been that if I'm in a battle situation where I'm in the field for weeks on end with no cleaning kit available and the combat will take place at 25 yards or less, I'd prefer the AK47.

That being said, if I'm going to have access to a cleaning kit once every few days or if I'm going to be shooting at a distance greater than 25 yards or so, I'd much rather have the M-16 or an M4.

So if you're asking which rifle I have sitting in my safe, the answer is both, they each have their advantages and while different, they're both excellent rifles.

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A system that registers each rifle with the individual who receives it using biometric data such as thumb prints and eye scans is meant to address concerns over U.S. weapons winding up in enemy hands. A July 2007 Government Accountability Office report concluded that as many as 190,000 weapons delivered to the Iraqi army were not accounted for and could've wound up in terrorist caches.

I don't think it matters. It sounds like a scheme to find leaks / terrorists within the Iraqi army. (i.e. The US will eventually run into a cache of M-16's in terrorist hands and be able to trace them back to a team of Iraqi police or army personnel that is leaking intel and weapons to the enemy) No way to track these AK-47s right now...

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My opinion on this has always been that if I'm in a battle situation where I'm in the field for weeks on end with no cleaning kit available and the combat will take place at 25 yards or less, I'd prefer the AK47.

That being said, if I'm going to have access to a cleaning kit once every few days or if I'm going to be shooting at a distance greater than 25 yards or so, I'd much rather have the M-16 or an M4.

So if you're asking which rifle I have sitting in my safe, the answer is both, they each have their advantages and while different, they're both excellent rifles.
Well said Id like to see that m4 tho and ak one day as we dont get to play with those toys here. Best thing we got is the mp5

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just wondering what the rest of the folks think. I have not fired a m16 so i cant directly compare. is the m16 really better than an ak47?
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Yes, as long as you keep it clean.
Sounds perfect for the desert then, and for people who dont understand how to break them down yet.

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Well I mentioned this before as I have fired both during war time. If I was running from the enemy and i did not have a weapon and I saw an AK 47 and a M-16 laying on the ground loaded I would not think twice to pick up the AK.

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Well I mentioned this before as I have fired both during war time. If I was running from the enemy and i did not have a weapon and I saw aa AK 47 and a M-16 laying on the ground loaded I would think twice to pick up the AK.
You mean "not" think twice right?
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Sounds perfect for the desert then, and for people who dont understand how to break them down yet.
They're really simple, a 20 min class is enough to learn basic dis and ass.

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You mean "not" think twice right?

Yep thanks for catching that Kruz
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The main reason I would carry an AK in iraq is the fact tat I could pick up ammo and clips from the assholes i just killed. it's an endless supply of ammo.




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The main reason I would carry an AK in iraq is the fact tat I could pick up ammo and clips from the assholes i just killed. it's an endless supply of ammo.
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I played counterstrike... the AK47 owns all.
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I used both in desert conditions. M16 for about a year, AK-47 and 74 occasionally, Galil - israeli AK knock off - for about 2 years.

AK-47 - heavier, less accurate, but it never jammed and is a bit shorter, M-16 - lighter, more accurate, BIG PITA to keep clean in desert conditions and jamms easily if even slightly dirty.

I am not a big fan of M-16, and I like AK-47 better, but AKS-74, thats something I would LOVE to have. its a lighter, shorter version of AK-47 with 5.45 mm instead of 7.62 - very light recoil, nice muzzle flash suppressor and recoil compensator. Palestinian Police was getting them for free as a gift from Russia back in 1996 - we were field testing them before giving to palestinians - it was great! Galil was ok as well - mediocre AK-74 copy for 5.56 ammo
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I have no field experience, but after weekends of running hundreds of shells through both types at outdoor ranges, I came to notice one constant. The M was like a surgical tool that was wonderful to shoot, but jammed more than anything we fired. The AK was a hot, fire-snorting blunt-force tool that would never fail to shoot and never jammed. We didn't even bother cleaning it between weekends sometimes and it was still a fucking truck.

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Don't they teach how to clean them in the other branches?
The only times my 16 jammed were when we were using those POS BFAs and nasty blank ammo.

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My7 M16 jammed alot. Like i said in another thread a while back, you could biry a ak in the mud and come back a week later and it would fire. You drop a M16 in a mud puddle your in trouble because it will jam like a mofo.
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My7 M16 jammed alot. Like i said in another thread a while back, you could biry a ak in the mud and come back a week later and it would fire. You drop a M16 in a mud puddle your in trouble because it will jam like a mofo.
come on dont you know everyone fights in clean room enviornments?
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My7 M16 jammed alot. Like i said in another thread a while back, you could biry a ak in the mud and come back a week later and it would fire. You drop a M16 in a mud puddle your in trouble because it will jam like a mofo.
yeah it will. One of they things they constantly drilled into us is keep the rifle out of the dirt. If you fall into a mud puddle, you'd better keep the rifle elevated out of it. Low crawling through the dirt? cradle it so isn't dragging through, and make damn sure the ejection port cover is closed.
Pendleton is pretty sandy, so we also learned light coat of CLP means REALLY light, otherwise it cakes sand. They've got better shit now, most notably Militec-1

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Everybody has pretty much says what there is to say about it...if you ever have a chance to, History channel did a Shootout episode M-16 vs AK-47 that was pretty good, they even interview of Stoner and Kalishnikov sitting together.
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AK all the way.
It's also a brick if it doesn't hit what you aim it at.

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That's exactly the scene I think of when I here about an unreliable gun.

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