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week gets better, car trouble

I broke down in cicero all of a sudden... just pleasent, got to stay in the freezing car for a couple of hours till tow came and took me to lombard to get a diagnostic.


called em up now, they said 3 cylinders have no compression and need further testing.


my career is based on this car so if you guys have input i would appreciate it!

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I broke down in cicero all of a sudden... just pleasent, got to stay in the freezing car for a couple of hours till tow came and took me to lombard to get a diagnostic.


called em up now, they said 3 cylinders have no compression and need further testing.


my career is based on this car so if you guys have input i would appreciate it!

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suggestions, anything.
may i suggest a cts-v?
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Possible timing belt slipped/broken. If it broke WITHOUT damaging any of the pistons, then you are DAMN lucky. Fairly simple fix for the mechanics then, although it's a bit of labor involved.

If it damaged internal parts, then you may want to go car shopping.

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Possible timing belt slipped/broken. If it broke WITHOUT damaging any of the pistons, then you are DAMN lucky. Fairly simple fix for the mechanics then, although it's a bit of labor involved.

If it damaged internal parts, then you may want to go car shopping.

Other than renting a car, I've got nothin else to offer.
i believe those cars have timing chains rather then belts? if that is the case then its not likely that it broke. the chain guide/tensioner may have failed allowing the chain to jump teeth. but ya if it does have a belt that broke and its an interference motor then its time to go shopping a new motor or car
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A four banger has a chain.

Buy a Scion Xa, iPhone and get your wife a blackberry. Take her out for drinks and a terrific dinner. I did that last sat when her Escort went boom. We are much happier, true story.

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I'm also pretty sure that it has a timing chain. Although it's unlikely, the chain could break. That would cause all sorts of problems.

Take a look at this link. It doesn't look too good. http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...63528&t=363528

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A four banger has a chain.

Buy a Scion Xa, iPhone and get your wife a blackberry. Take her out for drinks and a terrific dinner. I did that last sat when her Escort went boom. We are much happier, true story.

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called em up now, they said 3 cylinders have no compression and need further testing.
That's their way of saying "well we already know this thing is completely fucked, but we can probably get another couple hundred out of you anyway."
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FreBretha, do a search for ecotec broken timing chain. It appears to be a well-known issue, don't know if you will have any luck with GM for goodwill since you are well out of warranty. On the other hand, there's no reason a timing chain shouldn't last the life of the motor. I hope that isn't the problem, but it sure sounds like it could be

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Rick, I hope it's an easy fix man. I wish I could help you out somehow. I don't have any spare cars anymore...I gave them all up for the Scion and an extended warranty...

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hey now...this is my car too ya ass...and i love it...we can blow past ya at the gas pumps...and who needs speed these days when we got our freakin bikes?...plus there is still shitty roads out there...so while my shit is cruisen along at a nice easy 80 mph at 3k on the tach and waving to you from the gas station...u go get in your crap car...lol
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Sorry to hear about the Cavalier.. do yourself a favor and don't dump too much $$ into it. A used Civic with 100k+ miles would probably be more trustworthy.

I always thought the Scion xB looked like a toaster - I guess I wasn't the only one.



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just tell mommy and daddy to buy u a new one lol jk

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PI00434A: 2.2 L61 Engine Crank , No Start - kw break broken chain cylinder head knock lubrication no noise nostart nozzle oil timing - (Mar 22, 2004)

Subject: 2.2 L61 Engine Crank No Start

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When servicing the vehicle with the VIN you entered, the following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the described symptoms.
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Engine will crank but not start, also makes noise while cranking. Condition may be caused by a broken timing chain.
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1. Install service kit p/n 12578218 which includes:

A. A new S-Pin Chain p/n 24461834

B. A constant (no check valve) lubrication nozzle p/n 12577163

C. And drive parts.
2. Repair after a broken timing chain should include inspection of the cylinder head, the L61 engine is a valve interference engine (not free spinning).

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Please follow this diagnosis process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed. If these steps do not resolve the condition, please contact GM TAC for further diagnostic assistance. This diagnostic approach was developed for the vehicle with the VIN you entered and should not be automatically be used for other vehicles with similar symptoms.
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car probably not worth the money.
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Personally I wouldn't spend a dime fixing that Cavalier....5 years old with 70,000 plus miles on it.

I'm a HUGE fan of the Scion line. Inexpensive to own and operate, Toyota quality, good gas mileage, funky styling and plenty of bling-bling parts available, even performance ones! My 2005 XB has been AWESOME! even with the tiny 1.5 liter engine, but with a nicely geared 5 speed stick tranny, the toaster rolls along nicely The 2008s have a 2.4 liter engine, but the manual 5 speed stick has remained the same, someone at Toyota had really thought that out! That should fly with someone who can drive

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Personally I wouldn't spend a dime fixing that Cavalier....5 years old with 70,000 plus miles on it.

I'm a HUGE fan of the Scion line. Inexpensive to own and operate, Toyota quality, good gas mileage, funky styling and plenty of bling-bling parts available, even performance ones! My 2005 XB has been AWESOME! even with the tiny 1.5 liter engine, but with a nicely geared 5 speed stick tranny, the toaster rolls along nicely The 2008s have a 2.4 liter engine, but the manual 5 speed stick has remained the same, someone at Toyota had really thought that out! That should fly with someone who can drive
they say the new one is heavier then the older one, so even with the bigger motor the performance is not all that improved (don't know if thats the auto or stick though)

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they say the new one is heavier then the older one, so even with the bigger motor the performance is not all that improved (don't know if thats the auto or stick though)
BAH....who cares....our cars freakin rock man...this is my 1st toyota brand type car and man i love it...but overseas, they make it in a AWD version....why that wasnt brought over here, i have no clue...sure our car looks like a toaster...but there is not that many out there around here, which makes our cars STAND OUT above and beyond most shitboxes out there...

...plus my gf was with me saying "omg slow down, slow down" and I was thinking "Lose annoying squalk box in passenger seat, afford more mods and have less weight in the car and on the back of the bike"...so i dumped her and I'm single again as usual...HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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If the Cavalier does have a broken timing chain you would be able to get it covered under warranty as long as the replacement interval for the chain is after 70K and you can document your services. It wont be a quick process so you would be out of a car for a while. Let me know if I can help.
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BAH....who cares....our cars freakin rock man...this is my 1st toyota brand type car and man i love it...but overseas, they make it in a AWD version....why that wasnt brought over here, i have no clue...sure our car looks like a toaster...but there is not that many out there around here, which makes our cars STAND OUT above and beyond most shitboxes out there...
did i stutter? did you not understand what I was saying? I was reciting an article from a magazine that stated the 2nd gen scion's lost alot of the magic of the first gens. instead of being a car with a tiny footprint that could carry alot of stuff, the new one is larger, heavier, gets worse gas mileage, etc.

I was meerly responding to Rick's comment that the new vehicle doesn't live up to the standards which were set by the first one.

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