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Prius = the suck

I have a super smug friend with one of these and she will be pissed.

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"Wait. There must be some mistake. How can an autobahn-inspired performance machine beat one of the most fuel-efficient cars ever made?

It looks like that is exactly what happened on a 545-mile London-Geneva run, when a diesel-powered BMW 5-series posted better MPG stats than a petrol-based Toyota Prius hybrid. The BMW 520d with a 2.0-liter diesel engine and regenerative braking posted an impressive 41.9 mpg - about 0.9 mpg better than a full hybrid Prius. The difference may not seem huge. But given that the Prius weighs about 500 lb less, BMW's fuel economy lead was significant enough to raise new questions about which drivetrain technologies are more environmentally viable and should become the future mainstream of sustainable transport.

According to our partner site Technoride, the 5-series' triumph over Prius can be attributed to "a series of energy-saving features BMW calls EfficientDynamics: battery recharge when braking, good aerodynamics, low rolling resistance, a continuous fuel consumption gauge on the dashboard, and a six-speed manual transmission that is rated as improving fuel economy by about 10%."
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So whats the best looking, best performing hybrid out there for the buck? I'm looking to get one for my sick commute sometime in the near future. I'm not looking to spend over 25k

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Dammit I want a diesal. I loved the little Renault Megane I had in Scotland. A Puegot 208 or 207 would be sweet also.

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I would get a vw diesel before any of the hybrids.
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So whats the best looking, best performing hybrid out there for the buck? I'm looking to get one for my sick commute sometime in the near future. I'm not looking to spend over 25k
bio-diesel seems to be the new thing these days, that's what all the rich californians are turning to, must be the best.
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Yeah but did you see diesel prices lately??? I just drove by a speedway in the SW burbs and it is $4.39 a gallon
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Yeah but did you see diesel prices lately??? I just drove by a speedway in the SW burbs and it is $4.39 a gallon
Yeah it's getting ridiculous. Should probably just stick with a 35mpg 4 cylinder.
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My hyundai gets 41 mpg but rolling in a bmw would be much nicer.
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Yeah but did you see diesel prices lately??? I just drove by a speedway in the SW burbs and it is $4.39 a gallon
It goes up in the winter time a lot, it will start to come down and level off once the east coast stops using it as heating fuel.

My VW Jetta diesel average over 45MPG with me abusing the crap out of it highway and city mix. I used to laugh at the hybrid owners knowing could kick their ass in acceleration and real world MPG.

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The reason it doesn't take off in America is cause the only options for nice diesel is the Mercedes. Not to mention all the companies charging an outrageous premium on the diesel engine option.

VW Tuerag Diesel bases at $68k for a freaking VW??

Jeep Cherokee Diesel your looking at $40k min.

The Jetta and GOlf are too small for me. I need a Passat Diesel or better yet a Passat wagon Diesel.

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It goes up in the winter time a lot, it will start to come down and level off once the east coast stops using it as heating fuel.

My VW Jetta diesel average over 45MPG with me abusing the crap out of it highway and city mix. I used to laugh at the hybrid owners knowing could kick their ass in acceleration and real world MPG.
Are you sure??? Because tommorrow is spring and I still see the price climbing ywice as fast as regular fuel. I don't doubt you as you own a diesel. I always look at deisel prices as I am filling up because I was so so close to buying a F250 crew cab pickup last year for hauling my bikes to the track
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Are you sure??? Because tommorrow is spring and I still see the price climbing ywice as fast as regular fuel. I don't doubt you as you own a diesel. I always look at deisel prices as I am filling up because I was so so close to buying a F250 crew cab pickup last year for hauling my bikes to the track
I am questioning this as well. I remembered diesel being cheaper than gas years back, but not now, freaking a $1 more per gallon lately.

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So assuming I wanted to save money on buying a car and save money on fuel... what car would you guys get? Civic Hybrid? I cant/won't drive a prius or saturn.

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Are you sure??? Because tommorrow is spring and I still see the price climbing ywice as fast as regular fuel. I don't doubt you as you own a diesel. I always look at deisel prices as I am filling up because I was so so close to buying a F250 crew cab pickup last year for hauling my bikes to the track
You can definitely doubt me. I don't own my VW anymore, it was actually to boring to drive so I sold it and got a Mercedes. Once the northeast (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont) start to get good temps the price historically has gone back down. Now I don't know why they are charging more than premium for diesel right now since I've been out of the diesel cars for a couple of years I haven't kept up on pricing.

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$1 more per gallon.

Let's say you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 45mpg in a diesel car.

And then you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 35mpg in a gas car.

Is 150 miles of driving worth $15?
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Diesel shall remain higher than gas. This won't be changing. Diesel mixes have changed in the last few years to a low sulfur mix which costs more to refine.
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So assuming I wanted to save money on buying a car and save money on fuel... what car would you guys get? Civic Hybrid? I cant/won't drive a prius or saturn.
I would probably get a Scion TC. Cheap, good mpg, and it's not hideous.
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$1 more per gallon.

Let's say you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 45mpg in a diesel car.

And then you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 35mpg in a gas car.

Is 150 miles of driving worth $15?

Negative, so you are back at the old gas engine . It would make sense if diesel was around the same price as gas. We will need Rob to come on here and explain why they decided to raise diesel $1 over the price of gas .Probably due to the demand being higher for diesel since everyone is switching to it to get better gas mileage, which equals us being fucked again

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It goes up in the winter time a lot, it will start to come down and level off once the east coast stops using it as heating fuel.

My VW Jetta diesel average over 45MPG with me abusing the crap out of it highway and city mix. I used to laugh at the hybrid owners knowing could kick their ass in acceleration and real world MPG.
The sad things is the prices do go up in the winter, but the price of diesel has never been this high. Over the winter it was in the 3.40 per gallon range. It has just recenlty jumped several times in the last two weeks. The last time I filled my truck up I got it for 3.99. Now all the stations are selling it for 4.29. I don't think it's going to come down soon. Biodiesel is a good alternative but lets face it, it's hard to find around here.
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bio-diesel seems to be the new thing these days, that's what all the rich californians are turning to, must be the best.
Biodiesel is about $5 per gallon right now. That tech was more 'last summer' sorta thing and appears to be a passing fad at the moment unless there's a turnaround.
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You're better off buying a Hybrid if you do a lot of city driving with lots of starts and stops. They are less effective when traveling on highways because it's almost all gas engine then. So in those cases you're better off saving some bucks and going with a small 4 banger.
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$1 more per gallon.

Let's say you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 45mpg in a diesel car.

And then you have a 15 gallon tank that gets you 35mpg in a gas car.

Is 150 miles of driving worth $15?

That's some interesting math..it's the ratio of the gas costs and ratio of mpg's that's relevant, not the incremental cost.

The gasser uses about an extra gallon to go that 150 miles. That's also irrelevant unless you know the actual fuel cost, not just the difference.

To get a benefit from the diesel, the 45/35 must be greater than diesel/RUG price ratio. A dollar differential is a wash at $3.50 gal gas, $4.50 diesel given your mpg examples. A dollar differential at lower prices favors the gasser, and at higher prices favors the diesel.

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Apparently VW has developed a Golf (at least I think its a Golf) that gets 88 MPG. Its a TDI Hybrid. I really don't like VWs, but I like that they are releasing diesel engines. I heard VW is going to be releasing a Rabbit Diesel. I've also read that Honda is releasing a 4 cylinder Accord Diesel which gets 60MPG. I think its suppose to be on the market in 09, but I haven't heard much since the initial release statement.

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or you could get a full electric powered car, like the telsa, costs some dough but never buy gas.

and if im correct the honda insight got something like 60 mpg.
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You're better off buying a Hybrid if you do a lot of city driving with lots of starts and stops. They are less effective when traveling on highways because it's almost all gas engine then. So in those cases you're better off saving some bucks and going with a small 4 banger.
+1.....People forget that the Prius is made to be a city driver, not a 545 mile highway run gas saver. The reason for this is in the city, the speeds are slower, and if you drive it the way it's supposed to be drivin (not hard on the gas), it's using mostly the electric engine, where at higher speeds, aka 545 mile run on the highway, the gas engine is on 100% of the time, unless you're braking.
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Prius really is the suck. The cost of buying one will not offset your gas savings. I think they used to have tax breaks for them but I think that is no more. Let's say you owned a hybrid for a long time... what if the batteries took a dump? Those things have got to be really expensive (and fookin heavy) and there's a shitton of them in the trunk. And someone said it up but the gas mileage on highway is worse than city. When I used to tech for Toyota the customers number one complaint was that the Prius was not getting the advertised MPG's. I personally would not buy a hybrid just yet. They haven't made any breakthrough improvements either so I doubt it'll ever really take off.

If and when I need a new car (or used) I'll buy a light small displacement ULEV or SULEV car that gets about 40+ mpg anyway for the daily grind. A large, nicer gassguzzler would be great for the weekend tasks. If you can't afford both then stick with the econo-box. Don't buy a gigantic SUV just because you popped out 1 kid and think you need all that room. Or a uselessly large minivan for that matter.

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for the record...last december diesel prices were 2.99 and now im paying 4.09

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That's some interesting math..it's the ratio of the gas costs and ratio of mpg's that's relevant, not the incremental cost.

The gasser uses about an extra gallon to go that 150 miles. That's also irrelevant unless you know the actual fuel cost, not just the difference.

To get a benefit from the diesel, the 45/35 must be greater than diesel/RUG price ratio. A dollar differential is a wash at $3.50 gal gas, $4.50 diesel given your mpg examples. A dollar differential at lower prices favors the gasser, and at higher prices favors the diesel.

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My brother had an 84 vw rabbit diesel. It got 45+ MPG.
I do almost all highway driving, and my '96 Hyundai Accent gets between 38 and 41 MPG. I paid $800 for it, so with fuel the price it is, the car will pay for itself by the end of summer.
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I would probably get a Scion TC. Cheap, good mpg, and it's not hideous.
I bought my tC for those reasons, and surprisingly, I don't get very good gas mileage. I'd say about a 50/50 mixture of highway/city driving, and I've been getting pretty close to 24 mpg consistently between tanks.

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