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So as some of you may know, I'm in the market for a new bike this year. I was debating making a streetfighter out of a downed track bike or some such and I caught wind of a great deal on a downed RC51, thanks to G2G. It would make a perfect candidate for my streetfighter project with one caveat, it currently has an out of state salvage title. Does anyone have experience with titling and streeting a bike with a salvage title?

My last bike, the '04 Daytona 955i was apparently a salvage titled bike that was repaired, I don't know how Brian (former member) did it and what was involved but maybe some of you all do. That bike was nothing but a headache for me so maybe I just need someone to convince me that this is a bad idea. So post up thoughts, comments, etc.

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sometimes transfering the title to IL cleans it, sometimes it doesnt.


RC51 is tricky to fighter as the side radiators look like ass.

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I think you have VERY easy titling rules in Georgia and Arizona if you need to clean a title.

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I've heard differing things on the matter. When I was looking at one particular bike the guy (dealer salesperson) was telling me that although the bike was currently a salvage title that for about $200 you could have it inspected, certified and issued a non-salvage title. I'm not too sure how hard it would be to get this done for a reasonable price.

When a bike has been written off through insurance the insurance company will normally make sure the title is changed to salvage. In some cases a bike can be turned to salvage simply due to being reversed into, bending the forks and getting a few scratches on the fairings. Other times the bike could be seriously damaged and the frame not structurally sound, it really depends on why it was transfered to a salvage title as to whether it's worth your time and money.
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sometimes transfering the title to IL cleans it, sometimes it doesnt.


RC51 is tricky to fighter as the side radiators look like ass.
yeah side mounted left and right. I'd like to see how people get around that

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yeah side mounted left and right. I'd like to see how people get around that
you mount a standard front rad.

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Speed limit used to offer this for about $200 but I do not know how they did it, and they are no longer around as I know.
I didn't know your 955i was an old salvage.
Another way to get around it is to find a donor bike with a clean title and swap everything over
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Speed limit used to offer this for about $200 but I do not know how they did it, and they are no longer around as I know.
I didn't know your 955i was an old salvage.
Another way to get around it is to find a donor bike with a clean title and swap everything over
I didn't either when I bought it...

Someone told me at Strats one night, not cool.

As for the radiators, I don't think they look that bad but a front mount would be a lot cleaner.

The bike is in great shape, the fairings were destroyed as were the headlights and gas tank. It has an aftermarket tail on it now, the guy mounted a less damaged tank and the stock exhaust has been put back on. I figure for $500 I can mount a new headlight, clean up some tubing and have a decent looking bike for cheap as hell. The only holdups would be the title issue and picking it up. He's sending me pictures tonight that will be the deciding factor in how this plays out.

Anyone know how these RC51s are in terms of maintenance and power band? How heavy is the steering? Are they nimble or is this going to be a tank?

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I didn't either when I bought it...

Someone told me at Strats one night, not cool.
Didn't you buy that from Brian?

EDIT: Nevermind, I reread your first post. I guess you are in good company though. Is his ban a lifetime ban?

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I bought the duc in better shape than the Honda you are looking at. It is amazing what you can do with used plastic and a Odyssys paint job.
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Or maybe I should just buy these, mount them up and call it a day...

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The throttle action on RC-51's suck! For me, that one item kills the bike. I am not a fan of the RC-51. Handling would be good if it weren't for the throttle trying to buck you off.

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If your looking to title it for the streets in Illinois, run very fast! Getting a clean title from a salvage title isn't worth it. If you can get it designated rebuilt in another state and move it here, it's easier. Illinois is very very hard on title laundering.

If you have salvage bike here is what you have to do:
Get the bike.
Take pictures of all the damage and well document everything.
Get parts to repair the bike.
Fix the bike and make it legal to Illinois law and standards.

That was easy!

Now:
You need to take into a state inspection station.
You can only take a bike to an inspection station if you a licensed rebuilder.
I never did find out what it takes to become a rebuilder.
You may be able to pay a rebuilder to take it to a station for you.

At inspection:
If you go on a good day, they may go "it's a bike." "Looks good" and give you your papers and away you go.
If they're having a bad day:
They inspect the bike for safety.
They verify you have all the legal components on it.
They run the vin and make sure all the paperwork matches.
You need the bill of sale for the bike.
You have to provide photos and show everything that was repaired or replaced.
Every part that was replaced must have a bill of sale, showing where it was bought. If the part is a used part you must have proof of where you bought and the vin number of the bike the part came from. This is so they can verify the parts aren't off a stolen bike.
Then of course everyone has their hand out so you have to pay the fees.

The forms and some information is available on the secretary of state website. But it's not very clear and getting information or straight answers is almost impossible.

I spent a lot of time last year looking into this. I bailed on it because of all the whoops and uncertain answers I received. If you learn more or different information, please share it.

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I have one and love it. I have no idea what Sqrly is talking about, my throttle is not twitchy at all, however I have all the free mods done and you have to realize how a big twin will be rough in lower RPMs. It is a fat bike though, it is a great street bike, but a heavy slow track bike. Oh yeah and say good buy to your nuts cause the RC will roast them.

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If your looking to title it for the streets in Illinois, run very fast! Getting a clean title from a salvage title isn't worth it. If you can get it designated rebuilt in another state and move it here, it's easier. Illinois is very very hard on title laundering.

If you have salvage bike here is what you have to do:
Get the bike.
Take pictures of all the damage and well document everything.
Get parts to repair the bike.
Fix the bike and make it legal to Illinois law and standards.

That was easy!

Now:
You need to take into a state inspection station.
You can only take a bike to an inspection station if you a licensed rebuilder.
I never did find out what it takes to become a rebuilder.
You may be able to pay a rebuilder to take it to a station for you.

At inspection:
If you go on a good day, they may go "it's a bike." "Looks good" and give you your papers and away you go.
If they're having a bad day:
They inspect the bike for safety.
They verify you have all the legal components on it.
They run the vin and make sure all the paperwork matches.
You need the bill of sale for the bike.
You have to provide photos and show everything that was repaired or replaced.
Every part that was replaced must have a bill of sale, showing where it was bought. If the part is a used part you must have proof of where you bought and the vin number of the bike the part came from. This is so they can verify the parts aren't off a stolen bike.
Then of course everyone has their hand out so you have to pay the fees.

The forms and some information is available on the secretary of state website. But it's not very clear and getting information or straight answers is almost impossible.

I spent a lot of time last year looking into this. I bailed on it because of all the whoops and uncertain answers I received. If you learn more or different information, please share it.


Wow, I would just look for a clean titled bike .

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clean titled track heaps can be found for decent prices, and probably closer.

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Hmmm... seems to be conflicting opinions as to how this happens. I'm 99% certain that my Daytona didn't go through the process as described by gkotlin, anyone know of any specific loopholes or caveats? Can I even register a salvage titled bike? Can I get liability only insurance on it? I'm not concerned about resale (give what it will cost me to put together and the fact that I've already been pwned by this once), I just want to be able to ride it legally. If anyone knows someone in particular who has pulled this off who I can talk to, please PM me their info.

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An RC51is great for the street but for a track bike it is a pig and will take alot of money to get it running smothly suspension wise on the track. Also compared a new 600 the RC will get wooped up on. If it was me I would buy it try to title it as a clean title or get itinspected after you fix it up(make sure you keep all your receipts ebay parts wont work) and get it inspected by a shop that has a rebuilding license. Speed Limit cycle is not around any more but Marty the one who owned it also owns the Zone Honda Kawasuki.
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Indiana has some pretty straightforward salvage-rebuild rules. IIRC, you don't need to have a vehicle rebuilder's license. All the info should be posted on the BMV website.

Going through the rebuild process in Illinois is next to impossible and definitely not worth the investment, even for licensed rebuilders.
Fact of the matter is, Clear (rebuilt) titles always drop the vehicle's worth.
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Licensed rebuilders can't do inspections. The state or their approved sites do the inspections.

If there is better info out there, I hope it makes its way here. I spent a lot of time working on this. To find it wasn't worth it. Like was stated. Find a bike that needs work and fix it. Find a bike that was crashed but the owner didn't claim it on insurance.

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last time I had my title switched over i paid $200 bucks and left teh bike at the shop. He did all the paper work and brought it to get inspected.
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Ok my way of doing this is easier. just buy a salved bike, and buy a frame off ebay with a clean title. powder coat and mint out the good frame, swap all your parts over to it and bam you have a perfect bike with clean title. scrap the salved frame.




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Or if you have a friend on lived in WI, transfer it to his name. Wisconsin is not that strict and you dont have to be certified rebuilder to get it inspected.
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An RC51is great for the street but for a track bike it is a pig and will take alot of money to get it running smothly suspension wise on the track. Also compared a new 600 the RC will get wooped up on.
+1, especially on a technical track.

On the second day at Jennings I was passing many of the 600's that passed me on Sat but I was working a hell of a lot harder than they were and my bike is very well set up.
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You guys are comparing on the new 600's. You have to know rc51 is an 02 technology, How about comparing it to 02 600's ? How would they perform?
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Pull the trigger. Buy the street triple. Less hassle and you will like it more in the long run. I can make a call for you if you would like.
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You guys are comparing on the new 600's. You have to know rc51 is an 02 technology, How about comparing it to 02 600's ? How would they perform?
More like 1999 technology.

Riders being equal, the RC will get stomped by an 02 600 at a track like Jennings. The reality is you will work much harder to go fast than anyone else out there. It's a fun bike and it is what it is.
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Pull the trigger. Buy the street triple. Less hassle and you will like it more in the long run. I can make a call for you if you would like.
I like the bike, I loved my Speed Four but I paid (and you paid) around $4k for it, at that price, the bike was a bargain. The Street Triple is sweet, but MCC quoted me $9,500 out the door with no options, I'm sorry, but fuck that. I'll buy one second hand in 2 years for $5k.

Heya threadjackers, I wasn't planning on using this as a trackbike, this will be nothing but street duty as I was planning on streetfightering it.


Am I really to understand that the only person on CLSB who has done this (Salvage to clean title) happened to be the guy I bought my last bike from and one of the only members who has ever been banned from the site? Just my luck.

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Is it that hard to believe that it is a giant pain in the dick and easier to just buy something with a kosher title? Tony's method is the best bet in my opinion.

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Is it that hard to believe that it is a giant pain in the dick and easier to just buy something with a kosher title? Tony's method is the best bet in my opinion.
No it's not hard to believe, of course it'd be easier to buy a clean bike outright, I'm trying to save some money here though. I also know that the last bike I owned went from a salvage title to a clean title and avoided this whole process. I figure someone here knew something which is why I started the thread.

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