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Teaching Someone To Ride...

If someone were to start learning to ride, do you all feel it easier to do so on a non sportbike? Maybe more like a standard bike, or a low end cruiser? I started on cruisers and moved into sport bikes, but I am being asked for advice and I really can't come up with a good opinion. Maybe have the new rider sit on a couple differnt types of bikes and see what they feel "comfortable" on? I am recommending they take the class, of course.

Sport bike riding, even as a beginner, seems like it might be too technical for a new rider. Thoughts?

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i started out on a ninja 250....i had only ridden 2 up on sportbikes
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I like dirtbikes for starting out on the best. easy to handle, light weight, gears wind out pretty quick. The TW is pretty good to learn.
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MSF Course First.

Proper small standard bike - really easy to learn on
No traffic and few distractions
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Great well thought out instruction for a beginner.


If a friend asked me to help them learn to ride, I would enroll
in the local MSF program with them rather than teach them myself.


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At the MSF they teach on Standards and small cruisers.

A true "sportbike" is too agile and responsive IMHO, and doesn't take to drops well.

If you look at a Ninja 250, it looks like a sport bike, but it's pretty close in body position to a standard. It's a great bike to start on (again IMHO).

I feel the key is something that's forgiving to sloppy input from the rider, and inexpensive to fix should it be dropped.

Better yet, send the rider off to the MSF...let them drop someone elses bikes. And it's a good way to weed out those that just shouldn't *ever* be on bikes at all. We saw a few of those when I took the MSF...

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I'd say a sport bike isn't the best to start out with for sure. I learned on a dirt bike the basics and that was great, then a little honda rebel in the ride chicago class and on up to a gixxer. I had already been riding all sorts of vehicles before hand so I had a good head on my shoulders which helps a lot but still. The throttle is just not as forgiving.

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MSF on a 250 small cruiser. Their bikes, etc.

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Busa, FTW!!!

Seriously, a smaller dirt or sport bike is very close to a bicycle riding position, that can help.

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And dirt is softer to fall on.
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to learn the controlles aspect, use a four wheeler. No balance needed. Then graduate to the bike.

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I suggest a small standard bike or cruiser to learn on, sportbike throttles are very twitchy. You could go WOT on a 250 Nighthawk and it will slowly and smoothly take off and accelerate, you do that on a gixxer 600 and the front wheel is flying off the ground. When people are new, they will have crappy throttle control which will require lots of practice to control. Like Blarney said, they will have enough to deal with just balancing, shifting, and using the clutch and throttle than having to worry about the bike taking off or coming up on one .

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After reading the opening statement, I would say a smaller enduro would probably be more comfortable for a beginner rather a cruiser or sporty??
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I bought Mandy a Honda '75 CB360t as a first bike. I had a '96 Kataka 600 as a first bike. IMHO both were fine.
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I was going to bring my dirt bike to a large parking lot to teach my nephew then I will get him to walk-in at the MSF class later in the year.

Just to get him balance and clutch control he has never driven stick.

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I learned the controls on a quad like Sqrly says at the age of 10 then after I was comfortable with that I hopped on a dirt bike and went down in the mud and grass a few times. I was goin off little dirt ramps in no time but at that age peer pressure and the absence of fear help a lot. After I moved back to Chicago I haven't really have a chance to ride a bike till last season. Of course there was the occasional joy ride on a friends sportbike but no real riding. MSF course was great. 250cc's and low seat height made it super easy to get back in to it. Like Ron says, you can open up the throttle on those without worrying about serious consequences unless you rev then dump the clutch.
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If someone were to start learning to ride, do you all feel it easier to do so on a non sportbike? Maybe more like a standard bike, or a low end cruiser? I started on cruisers and moved into sport bikes, but I am being asked for advice and I really can't come up with a good opinion. Maybe have the new rider sit on a couple differnt types of bikes and see what they feel "comfortable" on? I am recommending they take the class, of course.

Sport bike riding, even as a beginner, seems like it might be too technical for a new rider. Thoughts?
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Give them a standard cruiser and let them learn on grass. It will teach you how to control and fall.
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There is a reason the MSF uses the bikes they do. Up here we have GN125's, CB125's, Nighthawk 250's, GZ250's, Eliminator 250's, DR200's and TW200's. All are fun and easy to ride.
We can (and have) taken people that have never been on a bike and get them riding over the course of two days.

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D I R T B I K E

For all the reason mentioned above: low power, light weight, virtually unharmed by drops, falling on grass/dirt less injurious than asphalt, etc.

So yeah, dirtbike PET.

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If you don't have a dirtbike, teach them on the grass at least.
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And it's a good way to weed out those that just shouldn't *ever* be on bikes at all. We saw a few of those when I took the MSF...
Yeah, and one chick who ended up leaving after the 1st morning portion had gone out before the class actually purchase a brand new sportbike for herself and after actually being on a bike in the class decided she couldnt do it and was too scared. Doh!
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250cc and under whether its a dirt bike, sportbike or cruiser.

Large wide open parking lot without curbs is a good place to start.

I don't recommend the cruiser or sportbike in the grass due to how fast street tires can wash out when using the front brake or at any lean angle. It might be a softer surface to land on but zero front wheel traction at 20 mph will still hurt. If your just teaching them to feel the friction point of the clutch then it would be fine.

I started teaching Kim on a Kawi Eliminator BN125 cruiser in a school parking lot. The thing topped out at 55mph going downhill. I wanted her to start on a bike that was very light, had a low seat, and didn't have intimidating power. Eventually she was able to get into the MSF class at COD where the instructors took over. She outgrew the 125 very quickly but it served its purpose as an excellent starter bike.

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