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OCEAN?! Where? On one of Saturn's MOONS?!

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This photo released by NASA/JPL, acquired by the Cassini spacecraft narrow-angle camera on Jan. 29, 2008, shows Saturn's frigid moon Titan as it approaches the brilliant limb of Saturn. Scientists announced Thursday, March 20, they have found the best evidence yet that an ocean may be hidden below the surface of Saturn's largest moon. (AP Photo/NASA, JPL, Space Science Institute)

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Okay I'm not a rocket scientist, but isn't Titan so far out from the sun, and it's pretty damn cold wouldn't all liquids freeze Even at a depth of 62 miles, it would be a be block of ice

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Okay I'm not a rocket scientist, but isn't Titan so far out from the sun, and it's pretty damn cold wouldn't all liquids freeze Even at a depth of 62 miles, it would be a be block of ice
Read the article...they think it's a flowing ocean!

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Okay I'm not a rocket scientist, but isn't Titan so far out from the sun, and it's pretty damn cold wouldn't all liquids freeze Even at a depth of 62 miles, it would be a be block of ice
The article said that the liquid water was under 62 miles of ice/crust. I'd imagine that the immense pressure would raise the temperature that deep down.

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In other news, scientists revealed an ocean of stinking mud under the surface of Uranus.

"includes 10 used-car dealers or auto repair shops, 11 liquor stores and bars--two of which advertise lingerie fashion shows and a third billed as a "gentlemen's club"--three cut-rate motels and one trailer park. The squat, brick municipal building is next to a currency exchange and a few steps from an adult video store. The bars open at 10 a.m. and close at 6:30 a.m."

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so when can i expect gas prices to drop because of this discovery?

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Read the article...they think it's a flowing ocean!

And where there's water in motion, there is a chance of life! Where there is proof of live on other planetoids, there is chance for intelligent life in other solar systems!
Well call me Thomas....I don't care how good the instruments are, they didn't even have a good picture of Titan in the article I'm having a hard time with liquid found that far out, to say it's flowing, is a bit premature, don't you think? I have no doubt there is life in other solar systems and intelligent life too. But what we do know about life is...you need a Class G Sun, you need a planet one AU from that sun (93 million miles) you need that planet to be roughly the size of Earth, you need water and you need an atmosphere. We know with these things you can find life.

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Well call me Thomas....I don't care how good the instruments are, they didn't even have a good picture of Titan in the article I'm having a hard time with liquid found that far out, to say it's flowing, is a bit premature, don't you think? I have no doubt there is life in other solar systems and intelligent life too. But what we do know about life is...you need a Class G Sun, you need a planet one AU from that sun (93 million miles) you need that planet to be roughly the size of Earth, you need water and you need an atmosphere. We know with these things you can find life.
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The article said that the liquid water was under 62 miles of ice/crust. I'd imagine that the immense pressure would raise the temperature that deep down.
Rob the surface temp of Titan is -289F or about half of absolute zero....its rock and ice.

Methane is found as a frozen solid at the bottom of the ocean under all that pressure and cold water environment. While at sea level it is a gas in air and water. But methane does not liquefy at any pressure if the temperature is greater than -116 degrees Fahrenheit.

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Where there is proof of live on other planetoids, there is chance for intelligent life in other solar systems!
We have flowing water on Earth yet no intelligent beings.
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Rob the surface temp of Titan is -289F or about half of absolute zero....its rock and ice.

Methane is found as a frozen solid at the bottom of the ocean under all that pressure and cold water environment. While at sea level it is a gas in air and water. But methane does not liquefy at any pressure if the temperature is greater than -116 degrees Fahrenheit.
But they said flowing oceans, do not argue with scientist when we have no way to prove them wrong.

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Back to Rick's point.. 62 miles is a ton of fricken ice before you hit water. I mean how many miles is the deepest part of the ocean and then add all of our atmosphere. How big is this moon compared to Earth? The other thing you have to consider is does this moon have an active core generating heat?
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Holy shit, that photo TOTALLY proves there is an ocean there!!

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But they said flowing oceans, do not argue with scientist when we have no way to prove them wrong.

Interesting stuff, I read this the other day. Do you think Chills would climb at -289? Explain absolute zero to me.
Absolute zero is as cold as cold gets. It means there is NO heat energy present at all. Molecules don't move its so cold.

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The other thing you have to consider is does this moon have an active core generating heat?

thats how a liquid ocean can be under 62 miles of ice

jupiture has a strong gravity field and fucks with all its moons
that alone could be enough to generate a warm chewy molten center


and if you look at examples of volcanic vents at the bottom of earths oceans you can find eco systems that dont need sun light to exist.

i thought the moon with thw ice/oceans was europa not titan
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Well call me Thomas....I don't care how good the instruments are, they didn't even have a good picture of Titan in the article I'm having a hard time with liquid found that far out, to say it's flowing, is a bit premature, don't you think? I have no doubt there is life in other solar systems and intelligent life too. But what we do know about life is...you need a Class G Sun, you need a planet one AU from that sun (93 million miles) you need that planet to be roughly the size of Earth, you need water and you need an atmosphere. We know with these things you can find life.
You see Rick, just because thats what scientists say is required for life now doesn't mean that's an abolute set of rules. It just means they haven't found life outside those conditions. Scientists used to think planets orbiting other stars would be very very rare, but in the last 10 years we've found so many that they changed their minds and have said planets are not uncommon at all.


Also, you keep mentioning temperature. Don't get stuck on surface temperature, my friend. Remember, the core of planets are very warm; not only because of the fluid pressure but also because of the immense heat generated by the core.


I am hopeful that there might be some sort of life on Titan. How monumental would that be? In our lifetime we actually discover alien life. Too cool.

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