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So I bought a 250 from a former co-worker/friend of mine like 2 years ago and I got a kick ass deal on it so my plan was to get it running (replace battery, clean carbs, etc.) and then sell it and make some money on it. Well I just got lazy and never picked the bike up from him and I am finally going to do it this weekend. I also never cared about getting the title from him so it's still in his name. Since I am just going to turn around and sell it within a few weeks I don't want to have to wait for the new title to come in my name before I can sell it. Does anyone know if I can just leave it in his name or do I have to transfer into my name first?

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Legally, no.

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Have him sign the title but not date it. The buyer may be weery though that you are selling a bike that is not under your name.

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Have him sign the title but not date it. The buyer may be weery though that you are selling a bike that is not under your name.
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Have him sign the title but not date it.
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If the buyer questions it, just tell the buyer you are selling for a friend. I did this once for a friend of mine who passed away (his dad signed his name for me on the title with a date prior to his passing) and once for the same friend's dad who just didn't want to deal with it (in that case he didn't date it).

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I have done the same as above every time unless I bought the bike from the dealer. Since my bikes are track bikes, the Title or MSO is just something I throw in the safe until I am ready to sell the bike.

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Legally, no.

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Have him sign the title but not date it. The buyer may be weery though that you are selling a bike that is not under your name.
Well we have a bill of sale that we created when I gave him the money for it originally and he said he'll sign a more current one if I want so it's easier to explain to a buyer.

This is illegal though? Crap. I'm not in the mood to get arrested right now.

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Well we have a bill of sale that we created when I gave him the money for it originally and he said he'll sign a more current one if I want so it's easier to explain to a buyer.

This is illegal though? Crap. I'm not in the mood to get arrested right now.
It's not illegal per se, and I gaurantee you won't get arrested. A title, signed by the seller, in your possesion is pretty solid. I would say the only thing illegal about it is that by not titling to you your skipping on 1 person paying a $25.00 sales tax. No biggy.
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Have him sign the title but not date it. The buyer may be weery though that you are selling a bike that is not under your name.
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It's not illegal per se, and I gaurantee you won't get arrested. A title, signed by the seller, in your possesion is pretty solid. I would say the only thing illegal about it is that by not titling to you your skipping on 1 person paying a $25.00 sales tax. No biggy.
Bingo, tax evasion of sorts.

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It's not illegal per se, and I gaurantee you won't get arrested. A title, signed by the seller, in your possesion is pretty solid. I would say the only thing illegal about it is that by not titling to you your skipping on 1 person paying a $25.00 sales tax. No biggy.

Ahhh okay good. Thanks!

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Ahhh okay good. Thanks!

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Blame I'll happily accept. Responsibility is out of the question.



I'll just "play" a dumb blonde and pretend I didn't know.

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pink...its fine to do what youre doing. you should be fine.

little story that happened to me a couple years ago.

had a 98f4 that i never titled. i put it up for sale and a guy came and looked at it. he called a few days later and said he wanted it. we worked out a deal where i would deliver it to him in elgin for $30. i get there and he isnt happy that my name isnt on the title. its signed and i had the bill of sale...but he was scared. i told him this before hand so im like WTF. so he didnt want it now. i told him to give me $30 (i was super pissed, i think he was scared lol) and he did. this is back when i had my own shop for all my toys. a week later i get a knock on the door in the evening when im there alone. its the police. they say they want to come inside but wont tell me why. i had nothing to hide but if they want to come in they should at least tell me why. so we discussed it outside and they finally told me. he said they got a tip that i had a warehouse full of stolen cars and motorcycles. i had 2 racecars of my own in there, my dads street rod, a buddies race car, and my 3 bikes. i finally let the cops in and they are like JACKPOT. they were total assholes to me until they ran every vehicle and they all came up clean. then they wanted to be my buddy lol.

me being confused why they would get a "tip". they finally told me who it was. that FUCKIN kid called the cops in my town and told them that i had a warehouse full of stolen cars and bikes. they cops even told me i should get even with him. no joke lol.

anyway i had the title to that unregistered bike at the shop (luckily). they said it wasnt good to do what i did (have an unregistered title)...but not to worry about it if im selling it soon.

sorry for the long story...just brought back memories. i swear when they wanted to come in i was thinking of situations ive seen on tv where people are wrongfully accused and get fucked.

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Yes. You save $25 on taxes and $65 on the title fee. $90 right there. Mo money mo money money!

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I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't buy a bike if the title wasn't in the seller's name. This guy tried to pull a fast one like that on me once. I was buying a wrecked 01 CBR600F4i for like $3200. The guy was up in Tinley Park and he tells me to meet him at this apartment complex. We get there, and the bike is there but seller isn't. Wait a couple minutes and the guy shows up. Ask for the title, he doesn't have it but has a copy of the title. The title isn't in the guys name and he is like ill give you a bill of sale. We left at that point. From then on I've decided I won't buy a bike if the title isn't in the sellers name, I ask for ID.

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I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't buy a bike if the title wasn't in the seller's name. This guy tried to pull a fast one like that on me once. I was buying a wrecked 01 CBR600F4i for like $3200. The guy was up in Tinley Park and he tells me to meet him at this apartment complex. We get there, and the bike is there but seller isn't. Wait a couple minutes and the guy shows up. Ask for the title, he doesn't have it but has a copy of the title. The title isn't in the guys name and he is like ill give you a bill of sale. We left at that point. From then on I've decided I won't buy a bike if the title isn't in the sellers name, I ask for ID.
That's a scam. If it's a legit title though I would consider it.

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I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't buy a bike if the title wasn't in the seller's name. This guy tried to pull a fast one like that on me once. I was buying a wrecked 01 CBR600F4i for like $3200. The guy was up in Tinley Park and he tells me to meet him at this apartment complex. We get there, and the bike is there but seller isn't. Wait a couple minutes and the guy shows up. Ask for the title, he doesn't have it but has a copy of the title. The title isn't in the guys name and he is like ill give you a bill of sale. We left at that point. From then on I've decided I won't buy a bike if the title isn't in the sellers name, I ask for ID.

Yeah that sounds a little freaky. I will have the actual real title in hand, not a copy. Plus, my friend is more than happy to confirm everything.

If no one is willing to buy it because of the title situation then I'll title it in my name and do all that. I just spent so little on this bike and think I can make a pretty good profit on it so I don't want to eat into any of my profits if possible. I'm so cheap!!

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BTW- Thanks for all the advice guys!! Now who wants to teach me how to fix it???

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BTW- Thanks for all the advice guys!! Now who wants to teach me how to fix it???
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Eugene does.
Why do you volunteer him for everything?? He told me a while ago he'd help me but he's so darn busy all the time. Maybe I'll try to bribe him with some more sushi dinners.

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i wasnt going to. but once they told me what it was for then i figured i had nothing to hide so i might as well let them in. whether i let them in then or they got a warrant, they were gonna see all the stuff i had.

the bike i was selling i had bought for my ex gf which i broke up with. when they told me they got a tip on stolen stuff and they specifically pointed out the 98 f4...then i thought it was her just trying to make my life miserable. turned out it was some scared tool. like i would bring you to my shop full of stolen stuff and sell you a stolen bike

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most girls that say "teach me" means "who wants to fix it and when can i pick it up"

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most girls that say "teach me" means "who wants to fix it and when can i pick it up"

Nope, not me! I actually want to learn how to do this stuff. I feel like if I own a bike I should know how to fix it and maintain it.

Last year my chain was so loose on my bike I was told not to ride it until it was tightened and I went out and bought the tool (socket wrench??) and read how to do it in my owners manual and online and tried and tried and couldn't figure it out. I couldn't ride it for 2 whole weeks until a friend was able to drive up and do it for me. I missed two alphabet rides that I could've gone on too...

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Last year my chain was so loose on my bike I was told not to ride it until it was tightened and I went out and bought the tool (socket wrench??) and read how to do it in my owners manual and online and tried and tried and couldn't figure it out. I couldn't ride it for 2 whole weeks until a friend was able to drive up and do it for me. I missed two alphabet rides that I could've gone on too...
Wow is all I can say. Have you met EndlessRR? He's the master at tightening chains.

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