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Any current or former flat trackers on the forum?

Just curious if there are any active or former flat track/TT competitors out there? Pro, sportsman. or vintage, let's hear from you.
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Just curious if there are any active or former flat track/TT competitors out there? Pro, sportsman. or vintage, let's hear from you.
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Grasshopper has done a few flattrack races, and has a pretty badass KTM 450 setup w/ 19's for that.

I tried it one weekend at DuQuoin on my Supermoto bike. It was alot of fun.

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Viv, meet Nick... Nick, you really need to meet this guy.

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I'll try to pick up after myself and at least leave the neighborhood as I found it.
So I guess "Grasshopper" AKA Nick is the flat track guy here, Eh? Hopefully he'll post up in this thread and we can talk some "steel shoe" racing'!
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I'll try to pick up after myself and at least leave the neighborhood as I found it.
So I guess "Grasshopper" AKA Nick is the flat track guy here, Eh? Hopefully he'll post up in this thread and we can talk some "steel shoe" racing'!
If you wanna talk steel shoe racing, page CerkMX. He doesn't race, but he's THE walking flattrack encyclopedia and will talk your ear off about it if you give him the chance

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If you wanna talk steel shoe racing, page CerkMX. He doesn't race, but he's THE walking flattrack encyclopedia and will talk your ear off about it if you give him the chance


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Hi Tom, I'm Jim. I'm a new poster to CLSB, but a long time lurker. I've seen some of the discussion on flat track before and, with the season coming I thought I'd draw the hotshoe types out and talk some flat track.
My first question is, did you ever race flattrack? If so when and at what level?
I raced at the Pro Sport (novice pro, kind of like being at the AA level in Baseball) level for several years. I was a regular at Santa Fe Speedway back in the '70's and early '80's. I sponsored George Mack Jr. ( Now of MackDaddy Racing, sponsor of Hank Wiles for his 3 Peoria TT wins) for a couple of years on my bike at Santa Fe when I stopped short tracking. I kept 1/2 mile racing for a few more years, and got to ride the Springfield mile in '81.
I liked TT racing too, I contend that one of the greatest thrills in motorcycling is coming off of turn 2 at Peoria and looking up that hill at hard acceleration, not being able to see the top of the hill, and knowing when you get there in a second or less, you'll be flying through the air about 30+ feet. You don't really think about while your doing it, but you can relive the rush when you think about it later!
I wasn't a very successful racer, but I got to live my dream and hang out with my heroes.
Today I ride a little vintage MX in AHRMA ( its like TTscrambles) and a few District enduros and some trials. I escaped flat track reasonably intact, alot of guys don't, but the bug to race seems like it will never go away!
That's a little of my background...back to you.

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So... whats the deal to set up a 450 for flat tracking? suspension wheels.... what else?

and what are the standard wheels available? Do I lace them myself or can I buy them ready to go? Tire manufactures?

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So... whats the deal to set up a 450 for flat tracking? suspension wheels.... what else?

and what are the standard wheels available? Do I lace them myself or can I buy them ready to go? Tire manufactures?
You need to contact some of the local shops who are dirt track specialists for help. I'd recommend MackDaddyRacing (They've built bikes that have won the Peoria TT and Springfield Short Track). Hall's Huquavarna in Springfield should be helpful, they fielded a team for many years. I'd also recommend getting an AMA rulebook ( Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN and they'll help you get one) and contacting the AMA District 17 Dirt track director. He would have answers to many of your questions and will be able to point you to others who have answers he may not have. Get a district card. (Illinois is AMA District 17). It has a very good series and with your RDO (Recognized District Organization) card you can run in any other AMA district in the country. You can't turn pro until you've raced amateur for at least a year if you're extremely good and 2 years if you're average.

Dirt track wheels are 19" front and rear (you can use an 18" wheel on the rear but it severely limits tire availablity) and can be purchased laced with quick change hubs (you'll be amazed how often you'll need to alter the gearing...sometimes at the same event because track conditions change so rapidly). An assortment of spacers are available and you have to figure out how to space the wheels for mounting.

Tires for dirt track are available from Good Year...They make some different compounds that you can use in amateur racing, but the pros have a spec tire rule where everyone has to use the same tire. Dirt track tires are also available from Dunlop, Maxxis and Continental may still make a dirt track tire as well.

And remember...Flat tracking is easy...After the green flag is thrown or the light comes on, just get to top gear and hold the throttle wide open until you see the face of God and pitch it to left!

Good luck.

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And remember...Flat tracking is easy...After the green flag is thrown or the light comes on, just get to top gear and hold the throttle wide open until you see the face of God and pitch it to left!

Good luck.

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So... whats the deal to set up a 450 for flat tracking? suspension wheels.... what else?

and what are the standard wheels available? Do I lace them myself or can I buy them ready to go? Tire manufactures?
To set up a standard motocross bike you can use the stock rear wheel. It works fine and get a warp 19" front. Lower the bike 3 or 4 inches and you have a DTX bike. Dirttrack cross they call them. In amatuer racing you keep the front brake lever on for TT, you take it off for short track or any oval. Only rear brakes are allowed for oval.

I recommend to have a bike with the least horsepower possible. A big 450 is not a good learning tool. You want to scrub your speed off sideways and then get back on top of the tire ASAP for traction. Spinning the tire while leaned over is not productive.

I highly recommend American Supercamp. They supply the bike, the instruction and the insight.

Flattrack is not easy. It is one of the most challenging genres of motorcycle racing. If you can master it, you will be generally fast on anything. To be comfortable sliding the front and rear and having lack of traction makes you confident in any discipline of motorcycle racing / riding.

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