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I'm here at work and everyone is getting on my case about my bike, That i have a greater chance of dying rather than being inside a car. So my Qs is, Where can I get Actuall D.O.T information about people that die in a car vs people who die on bikes. I know we ride here like 5 good months a year but how about Cali, Fl? Fatalities on bikes has sky rocket, we all know that but compared to million of car drivers out there I would think more people die in a car. Your thoughts on this??
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this question comes up every start of the riding season....might want to do a search...

as far as my input on this...i try not to ride during rush hour time cause people are usually in a bad mood and dont care...all you can do is keep your eyes peeled and always check your mirrors and where u are riding at compared to cars...but the unexpected will always happen...and the younger riders can sometimes be out stunting or going well too fast for traffic/conditions...

and sometimes its just being in the wrong place at the wrong time...

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I'm here at work and everyone is getting on my case about my bike, That i have a greater chance of dying rather than being inside a car. So my Qs is, Where can I get Actuall D.O.T information about people that die in a car vs people who die on bikes. I know we ride here like 5 good months a year but how about Cali, Fl? Fatalities on bikes has sky rocket, we all know that but compared to million of car drivers out there I would think more people die in a car. Your thoughts on this??
Just tell them that motorcycles don't get motorcyclists killed....careless automobile drivers do.

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the way i look at it is i could die getting struck by lightning or run over in a parking lot...im not gonna sit in my house in a bubble....whenever i ride the only things i can do are wear my gear, be observant and ride as defensively as possible....everything is a risk equation...take out as much possibility of getting hurt as you can!!!! And the benefits i get from riding far out weigh the risks!!!!!!
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Some people are just killjoys, they are so obsessed with telling you what's wrong with the way you live life that they don't have time to live their own.
I have various replies for people like that, but in your case, this is what I would say..."Motorcycling carries with it some calculated risk, I deal with it by wearing safety gear, seeing to it my bike is in top shape and that I'm fit to ride, and paying close attention to what I'm doing and to traffic. Beyond that, it's out of my hands and I accept that. If I check out while riding...remember that I left this world doing something I love!"

Forget statistics and trying to convince them, you never will. Saying something like this will tell them to butt out and not sound rude to them, if they persist beyond this...tell them to butt out!
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I'm here at work and everyone is getting on my case about my bike, That i have a greater chance of dying rather than being inside a car. So my Qs is, Where can I get Actuall D.O.T information about people that die in a car vs people who die on bikes. I know we ride here like 5 good months a year but how about Cali, Fl? Fatalities on bikes has sky rocket, we all know that but compared to million of car drivers out there I would think more people die in a car. Your thoughts on this??
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I dont disagree with their POV. You have the same risks any time you are on the road. You can be involved in a collision at any time. On a bike you are harder to see, have less protection and no supplemental restraints systems. You also dont have any traction control or ABS systems making emergency manuevers dependent on rider skill.
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Tell them if they've never ridden to shut up. I've done that before. They look at me funny and then carry on with there lives.

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I will agree that motorcycles are more dangerous than cars, and you are more likely to seriously hurt or kill yourself in an accident on a bike than in a car. Gear minimizes the risk, but nonetheless, every moto accident ends with you sliding and hitting the ground, which is never good, and this won't ever happen to you in a car. I have seen plenty of friends crash and have something broken on them, and even my next door neighbor died on a bike 4 blocks away from my house. I don't personally know of anyone that has driven a car and died or even broke anything in an accident. Next, it depends on the person. If you are a person who has been involved in plenty of automobile accidents in your life time, a motorcycle is not for you. The chances are the way you drive your car will be the way you ride your bike. The difference is, in your car, you only have to pay to get your car fixed, on your bike you have to pay to get yourself and the bike fixed .

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I dont disagree with their POV. You have the same risks any time you are on the road. You can be involved in a collision at any time. On a bike you are harder to see, have less protection and no supplemental restraints systems. You also dont have any traction control or ABS systems making emergency manuevers dependent on rider skill.
True, we do have a greater risk but im just curious to know the #'s from ppl on bikes vs ppl in cars. There's car accidents everyday and ppl die but if 1 motorcylist dies i wont hear the end of it. I think more people die in a car than in a bike But the deaths on bike has gone up 80% since the last 10yrs. Anyone know a link where i get get this info?
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Some people are just killjoys, they are so obsessed with telling you what's wrong with the way you live life that they don't have time to live their own.
I have various replies for people like that, but in your case, this is what I would say..."Motorcycling carries with it some calculated risk, I deal with it by wearing safety gear, seeing to it my bike is in top shape and that I'm fit to ride, and paying close attention to what I'm doing and to traffic. Beyond that, it's out of my hands and I accept that. If I check out while riding...remember that I left this world doing something I love!"

Forget statistics and trying to convince them, you never will. Saying something like this will tell them to butt out and not sound rude to them, if they persist beyond this...tell them to butt out!
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True, we do have a greater risk but im just curious to know the #'s from ppl on bikes vs ppl in cars. There's car accidents everyday and ppl die but if 1 motorcylist dies i wont hear the end of it. I think more people die in a car than in a bike But the deaths on bike has gone up 80% since the last 10yrs. Anyone know a link where i get get this info?

I think you are kind of mixing it up like a Mac/PC security debate. Macs are safer than PCs because hackers know that 80%+ people are using PCs, so they rather make viruses and software to attack the platform with the most users. There are a crap load of accidents all the time, there are millions of cars on the road at any given moment, and a lot less bikes than cars. If you hit another car with your bike, there is a great chance even with gear, you will be seriously hurt, and carted off in an ambulance. You hit a car with another car, and there is a better chance you will walk away and explain to the police what happened. You have side and front air bags, a metal frame around your body, seat belt, etc to soften the blow, on the bike you a half of inch of leather, maybe a little Kevlar, and a hard plastic helmet, winner = automobile safety features.

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I have the 2006 (most current compiled) Illinois crash stats as well as the results of a Cali study that just concluded that relates specifically to motorcycle crashes. I think I can email you the Cali study if you want it.

Is it ignorance, or apathy?

I don't know, and I don't care.
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I have to say it's not the dieing part to worry about, it's living after the crash. As long as that's a reality for you. I SAY FUCK THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!

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Just tell them that motorcycles don't get motorcyclists killed....careless automobile drivers do.

Thats what I tell them.

Hell pissed one lady off at the gas station when she said "bikes are dangerous" to me when filling the bike up. Dont know her. Didnt start any conversation with her. She just felt like putting her 2 cents in. Just told her "No its fucking old ladies like you that cant drive worth shit that kills bikers". She shut up and left.

Also telling people that go into that "bikes are dangerous" crap to just shut the fuck up and dont be nice about it. Had a saleman at orkin who kept telling me he knows such and uch that got killed on a bike. After 2 yrs of hearing the same crap from him I blew up on him in the office. Needless to say I was out of a job a week later. Asshat was buddy buddy with the store manager.
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Tell them mind their own shit its your life..not theirs...

for me i tell them its one of my therapy is riding bike...
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For comparison purposes, you wouldn't want to look at raw numbers, but rather percentages of drivers for each vehicle killed. Check the below link for odds of dying in pretty much anything...

http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx

The odds of dying as a car occupant...1 in 19,216
The odds of dying in a motorcycle accident...1 in 73,085

Therefore, 3.8x as likely to die in a car wreck

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I don't know the ratio of cars to bikes, but the last traffic school I went to stated 45K people die in car crashes a year. thats a lot of people!!
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