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Soldiers Say Porn Ban May Hurt Morale
Stars and Stripes | Seth Robson | May 05, 2008
GRAFENWOHR, Germany -- Legislation that would restrict the sale of certain men's magazines on U.S. military bases around the world would be bad for morale, according to soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., has introduced legislation that would close a loophole in the current law that allows the sale of some sexually explicit material on military bases by lowering the threshold required to deem material "sexually explicit."

A Department of Defense committee that reviews materials sold on bases ruled last year that magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse are not pornographic. But Broun's Military Honor and Decency Act includes language that could make those magazines eligible for the ban.

The prospect of missing out on men's magazines was not welcomed by soldiers at Grafenwöhr.

"We all read 'em," said Pfc. Paul Rubio, 31, of Bakersfield, Calif. "There are times we just read 'em for the technological parts like the new gadgets that come out. They have good stories sometimes too."

Sgt. Simon Brown, 34, of Daytona Beach, Fla., said men's magazines build morale. "It's not all about the pictures, although 80 percent of it is," he said.

Pfc. Greg Smith, 21, of Northboro, Mass., a regular Playboy reader, said soldiers should be allowed to buy nudie magazines at the exchange.

"Playboy is good entertainment while you are on the can. They have jokes and good stories," he said.

Broun, a Marine veteran, told Newsweek recently that the magazines sold in military exchanges are partly responsible for a rise in sexual assaults in the military and other problems.

"Allowing the sale of pornography on military bases has harmed military men and women by: escalating the number of violent, sexual crimes; feeding a base addiction; eroding the family as the primary building block of society; and denigrating the moral standing of our troops both here and abroad," Broun says on his Web site.

The legislation would require the DOD to annually review material that is not currently deemed sexually explicit to determine if it should be prohibited, according to the Web site.

Some soldiers say magazines that could be banned are particularly important downrange.

Brown deployed to Afghanistan in 2002 and 2005 and is preparing to go to Iraq with the 12th Combat Aviation Brigade this summer. When he was in Afghanistan he was one of the first to pick up a new copy of Maxim or FHM when it came out, he said.

"It would suck if they ban it," he said. "It's bad enough we are down there to begin with. Taking that away would be like a knife in the chest. I'm not saying I'm depending on Maxim to keep me alive over there, but it helps."

Publications such as Maxim and FHM are not named by Broun, but lowering the threshold of the sexually explicit definition might mean such magazines would be targeted for a ban.

Some troops in the Pacific region said the proposed legislation would impinge upon their personal freedoms.

"They're making it a point of undermining soldiers to almost make them feel like we're back in elementary school," Pfc. Nickolas Sears said Friday at Camp Red Cloud, South Korea. "We're all adults here, and if it's something we want to do, we should feel free to choose as we please."

Other than on base, there's no place in South Korea to buy magazines like Playboy, he said.

"I believe it's a breach of freedom of speech," said Senior Airman Garrett Deese, 25, of Elk Grove, Calif., who just completed a tour with the 8th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Kunsan Air Base, South Korea.

He said he wonders whether such a ban would lead to barring other types of magazines lawmakers chose to challenge. He also questioned whether Broun's link between magazines and sexual assaults within the military would stand close scrutiny.

At Yokota Air Base, Japan, military spouse Roberta Woolley said she understands the need for balance between rules and individual rights, but said the military has tougher standards than the rest of American society.

"It's a good idea," she said of the proposed ban. "I think there's better literature out there.... In the military, we sell cigarettes and alcohol legally. But it's also questionable whether they promote a healthy lifestyle.

"I've seen all these magazines, and they don't make men or women intelligent or beautiful. And even though they're hidden, there is still exposure to children as well. It's the parents' responsibility to give ideas about body awareness to their children. I don't think Mr. Hefner presents a positive image of men or women in his magazine."

A female soldier at Grafenwöhr -- Sgt. Pou McCall, 23, of Riverside, Calif. -- said men's magazines don't bother her a lot, but she'd support a ban.

"What if it was their (soldiers') sisters (in the magazines)? It doesn't take a magazine for sexual harassment to happen but it increases it," she said.

Army and Air Force Exchange service public relations manager Judd Anstey said AAFES sold $231,000 worth of Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl magazines in Europe last year.

"Sales of these three titles account for 2.7 percent of total European magazine sales ($8.5 million) at AAFES facilities," he said.

The sales accounted for 0.5 percent of worldwide AAFES magazine sales of $46.4 million, he said.
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ridiculous, dont fuck with our boys doing work you wont do yourself and being all preachy about whats right and wrong. They are grown men and should decide what they want, and thats what they want.


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You can walk out to the Economy and get whatever you want.
I still think its offensive what they are doing. There is nothing constructive about it aside from making it so that guy does not get re elected.
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What a bunch of crap!!!! Big brother at it again.
Censorship-BAH just one step closer to Communism.
If it offends you, don't fucking read it!!!!!!

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WTF??? U.S. Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., Someone should dig the bones out of this fuckers closet.

I don't fucking get it. They're in the military serving for US not in prison.
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Here is another porn ban happening in the UK: (I grabbed this from a blog)

There is a Bill due to pass into law on May 8th in the UK that would outlaw so called "extreme pornography" and make the viewing or possession of it a criminal offence.

What is "extreme pornography"? As defined in the Bill it includes:

-- An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life
-- An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals
-- An act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse
-- A person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal

All those "appears to" make it a nightmare. There go many kink images and even -- arguably -- fisting images.

But I have a larger concern as well. It seems to me that the criminalisation of the possession of images rather than production of them is a very dangerous road to be on. It is already enshrined as a principle, of course, in the case of child porn, where viewing and possession are treated as complicity in a criminal act of abuse against a child. But this seems to me tendentious at best. In my view, the people responsible for the production of an image of a criminal act are the ones who are culpable, not the viewers. It is the criminal acts that should be prevented, not fantasies -- however repellent we may personally find those fantasies to be.

Furthermore, in an age of computer generated images, it seems to me that we cannot even be sure that any criminal act was committed in the production of an image: these images can be produced out of nothing, so to speak, and so the notion that a consumer of the image (or, in this case, even its producer) is guilty of any wrongdoing is spurious -- unless, once again, we are to make fantasy illegal.

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Over in the sandbox you can't even buy a Playboy because it offends the muslims. It's illegal to own porn over there.
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Over in the sandbox you can't even buy a Playboy because it offends the muslims. It's illegal to own porn over there.
its most deffinetly not illegal. iv done many a raids and found many HARDCORE porn in houses. from videos on computers to mags and pictures. and some of it even included beastiality, heck someone kicked in a door and the wife was givein head.

but anyways. as far a .mil people go. yeah porn has become the new bad guy out there, and localy too. it sux if you ask me, and i dont know anyone who actually got rid of it when they were told they had to, you just dont keep it out in the open and hide it when the look for it.

first time i heard about this was mid to late in 2007.

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I know the are the dirtiest fuckers out there. It's technically illegal. The PX only sold Maxims. Sergeant Major threw a fit when he walked into a tent and saw a porn mag laying on someones bunk. I guess these days it's easier to hide that shit since everyone has laptops.
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its most deffinetly not illegal. iv done many a raids and found many HARDCORE porn in houses. from videos on computers to mags and pictures. and some of it even included beastiality, heck someone kicked in a door and the wife was givein head.

but anyways. as far a .mil people go. yeah porn has become the new bad guy out there, and localy too. it sux if you ask me, and i dont know anyone who actually got rid of it when they were told they had to, you just dont keep it out in the open and hide it when the look for it.

first time i heard about this was mid to late in 2007.
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What am I going to do without porn for a year in Afghanistan? Shit....lol.
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Not in Korea you can't. The ROK government is pretty strict on what the population can see. On the flip side you can buy stuff that shows bewbies alongside kids games.


I think the ban is stupid. Let the soldiers buy what they want. If some tight-ass spouse doesn't want to see it then she can look away. Its not hurting anyone.

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