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An observation!

I had to run down to Joilet yesterday...I noticed a strange thing on 355. I was the fastest car on 355. I was doing 69 and over taking people. I also noticed zero State Troopers on 355, very unusual, I usually spot at least 3. Now I realize that it was noon and maybe I hit a "light" part of the day, but I usually cruise 355 at 79 and get passed like I am standing still. I wonder if gas now at +4 dollars a gallon if people are slowing down to stretch their gas dollars, and what the impact to state revenue will be...if people are slowing down, less ticket revenues and higher costs to actually have the State Troopers out there.

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I agree, I've noticed people are driving a lot slower than normal.

Maybe it's in our heads.
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I try very hard to stay at or below 70mph now. I used to run right around 80mph all the time, but just by dropping that 10mph I am averaging 3mpg better then at 80 and no appreciable increase in travel times.

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I agree, I've noticed people are driving a lot slower than normal.

Maybe it's in our heads.
I noticed it, too. I also noticed it 3 years ago when gas jumped to $2.50/gal after Katrina. It'll pass. People will get used to $4/gal and start driving fast again.

I for one started slowing down 3 years ago. I drive 55-60 on the interstate. I also start slower from a red light and shut my car off when I know I'll be sitting at a light for more than 10 seconds. It does work. I've been getting 35 mpg combined in my Hyundai Elantra where EPA rates it as 28/32.

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hut my car off when I know I'll be sitting at a light for more than 10 seconds
the you're-a-peons have been doing this in some countries for a long time now.
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you don't necessarily have to drive much slower... just find the sweet spot for your car. mine is actually 72 MPH. whenever i'm on the tollway i either cruise at 72 or around 90 - if i'm going 80 then all the mileage benefits are gone anyways and i might as well make good time, right?
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the you're-a-peons have been doing this in some countries for a long time now.
Those continentals sometimes have good ideas.

I learned about it while reading about "hypermilers." These guys do all kinds of crazy stuff to save gas, like shut their cars off whenever they use the brakes, never use anything electrical in their cars, driving very slowly, etc.

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you don't necessarily have to drive much slower... just find the sweet spot for your car. mine is actually 72 MPH. whenever i'm on the tollway i either cruise at 72 or around 90 - if i'm going 80 then all the mileage benefits are gone anyways and i might as well make good time, right?
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i cant even post in here without getting angry. people are driving SO fkng slow lately. i am a slow driver myself but can you please at least do the speed limit? 45mph roads people will take 2 miles to get to 39 and then HOLD there. trying to save gas or not...these people are fkng jackasses. i mean how much gas can you be saving driving 39 instead of 45?

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http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/

^^^ Might be worth a try with the price of gas now. ???

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http://www.pureenergysystems.com/new...00069_Acetone/

^^^ Might be worth a try with the price of gas now. ???

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Mythbusters did it and showed it actually got worse gas mileage:

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They tested each car on the dynamometer at 35mph and 55mph with each 'device.'

Carburetor car:

* Baseline: 17mpg at 35mph and 25mpg at 55mph
* Magnets: exactly the same as baseline busted
* Acetone: 16.7mpg at 35mph and 24mpg at 55mph busted
* Super carb: much worse than baseline, 12mpg at 35mph and 17.7mpg at 55mph busted

Fuel-injected car

* Baseline: 19mpg at 35mph and 27mpg at 55mph
* Magnets: 18mpg at 35mph and 26mpg at 55mph busted
* Acetone: 18mpg at 35mph and 26mpg at 55mph busted
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/e...onspiracy.html

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Mythbusters did it and showed it actually got worse gas mileage:

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/05/e...onspiracy.html
Well the problem with the "unofficial mythbusters" link is there is no reported data. What was the mixture...etc. People have reported a loss in mpg with improper mixtures as it states on one of the links I posted. Some people have tried different mixtures having different results.

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i dont care as long as the people "saving" gas are in the slow lane.

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one other thing about that mythbusters site:

"Cooking oil
Adam picked up some used cooking oil from a restaurant and filtered it to turn it into fuel. They got a diesel Mercedes and drove it around a 2.9 mile course at Alameda designed for constant 35mph driving. With the diesel baseline test they were able to go 8.8 miles on 1 liter (33.3mpg). They then switched to the used cooking oil and ended up getting 30mpg, only 10% less efficient.

They made no modifications to the diesel car and all they did to the cooking oil was filter it."

Mythbusted:none of the devices they tested made the car more fuel efficient. The EPA has tested 104 of these devices, and only 7 showed improvement in fuel efficiency. However, none of these improved efficiency over 6%.






I personally know someone with this conversion done on their work van (diesel). Mythbusters reported 10% less efficient??? LOL on FREE cooking oil??? WTF!

And I don't know how they made "no modifications" when I know you need a heater element and a separate tank for cooking oil. What did they do? Pour the oil in the normal gas tank?

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Well the problem with the "unofficial mythbusters" link is there is no reported data. What was the mixture...etc. People have reported a loss in mpg with improper mixtures as it states on one of the links I posted. Some people have tried different mixtures having different results.
My biggest problem with these types of "additives" is that I bet most of the improvements in gas mileage are actually more do to the driver unconsciously trying to get better gas mileage. They think this acetone or whatever it is going to work, so they drive better.

I remember seeing the Mythbusters episode, and they were very thorough in the fact that they would make sure no gas was in the car and exactly measure out a specified amount of gas and acetone. I don't know what that is off the top of my head though.

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one other thing about that mythbusters site:

"Cooking oil
Adam picked up some used cooking oil from a restaurant and filtered it to turn it into fuel. They got a diesel Mercedes and drove it around a 2.9 mile course at Alameda designed for constant 35mph driving. With the diesel baseline test they were able to go 8.8 miles on 1 liter (33.3mpg). They then switched to the used cooking oil and ended up getting 30mpg, only 10% less efficient.

They made no modifications to the diesel car and all they did to the cooking oil was filter it."






I personally know someone with this conversion done on their work van (diesel). Mythbusters reported 10% less efficient??? LOL on FREE cooking oil??? WTF!

And I don't know how they made "no modifications" when I know you need a heater element and a separate tank for cooking oil. What did they do? Pour the oil in the normal gas tank?
They got 33.3 mpg on gas, and 30 mpg on the oil = ~10% less efficient.

What's wrong with that?

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one other thing about that mythbusters site:

"Cooking oil
Adam picked up some used cooking oil from a restaurant and filtered it to turn it into fuel. They got a diesel Mercedes and drove it around a 2.9 mile course at Alameda designed for constant 35mph driving. With the diesel baseline test they were able to go 8.8 miles on 1 liter (33.3mpg). They then switched to the used cooking oil and ended up getting 30mpg, only 10% less efficient.

They made no modifications to the diesel car and all they did to the cooking oil was filter it."

Mythbusted:none of the devices they tested made the car more fuel efficient. The EPA has tested 104 of these devices, and only 7 showed improvement in fuel efficiency. However, none of these improved efficiency over 6%.






I personally know someone with this conversion done on their work van (diesel). Mythbusters reported 10% less efficient??? LOL on FREE cooking oil??? WTF!

And I don't know how they made "no modifications" when I know you need a heater element and a separate tank for cooking oil. What did they do? Pour the oil in the normal gas tank?
those are not modifications to the engine. they actually just used a container hooked up to the carb directly. It did work, and yes while it's 10% less efficient, it is essentially free. BioDiesal is becomming more and more popular and expect it to make a larger impact as sweet crude continues to hike in price...

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And not to mention, put an o-ring or a piece of plastic in Acetone and see what happens over time. Newer cars have better environmental withstanding plastics, but on an older car, I feel bad for you injectors and fuel pump. And don't spill any on your paint when putting it in your gas tank, nail polish remover isn't good for your paint.

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I agree, I've noticed people are driving a lot slower than normal.

Maybe it's in our heads.
They seem to be going slow while on the bike. But in my Blazer they still seem to be going fast.

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i dont care as long as the people "saving" gas are in the slow lane.
GRRRRRRRrrrr...Nothing like tailing behind two cars rolling side by side at 50 on the highway with nothing but open road in front of you.
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* Baseline: 19mpg at 35mph and 27mpg at 55mph
see this is what im yelling at the car in front of me when he's doing 39 in a 45. im like youre getting WORSE gas mileage dude!

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i dont care as long as the people "saving" gas are in the slow lane.
the only time i really notice this is when i make the trip from my house (palos heights) to my brothers shop (homer). its about a 30 min drive and 90% of it is just 2-lane. lots of hilly roads so it makes it a little hard to pass.

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6 gas-saving myths

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#1. Fill your tank in the morning
#2. Change your air filter
#3. Use premium fuel
#4. Pump up your tires
#5. To A/C or not A/C
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6 gas-saving myths

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/12/auto..._gas/index.htm

Here's a look at a few misconceptions:

#1. Fill your tank in the morning
#2. Change your air filter
#3. Use premium fuel
#4. Pump up your tires
#5. To A/C or not A/C
#6. Bolt-ons and pour-ins

Not entirely accurate.

#2. I know owners of high-performance cars report engine problems when they run 83 octane vs 93 octane, so that's false info in the report.

#4. The article says reduced tire pressure reduces handling. Anyone who's taken their car/bike to the track knows that reduced pressure increases handling because it increases the contact patch.

Now not everyone drives a sportscar and needs a big contact patch. I'm just pointing out falicies in the article. The rest I agree with.

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According to Mythbusters the best way to save gas on the expressway is to draft semis. the fuel economy increases the closer you get to the truck all the way up until you are like 2 feet from the bumper then it goes down slightly compared to being 10 feet away. true story i saw the episode.

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Hypothesis: A big rig has a low-pressure air zone behind it. Driving through that low-pressure zone should make it easier for the car to stay up to speed. Therefore, the car uses less gas.


Procedure/Experimental Design: The team used a big-rig, a regular car and a fuel-efficiency measuring device. Then, on a flat straightaway, the tested the myth by driving behind the big rig at various distances. The speed was kept constant at 55 mph.

Results: The team measured fuel efficiency at 5 different distances from the big rig.

DISTANCE (ft) SPEED (mph) FUEL CONSUMPTION DECREASE
100 55 11%
50 55 20%
20 55 27%
10 55 39%
2 55 28%



Conclusion: Up to 10 ft @ 55 mph, the efficiency kept increasing. At its maximum, efficiency was up by 40%. At a distance of 2 ft, efficiency dropped because of the difficulty in keeping the car exactly 2 ft away from the big rig. Regardless, drafting does increase fueld efficiency.

Although they were able to confirm the myth, they pointed out that drafting a big rig at such close distances is life-threatening and extremely dangerous. The recommended minimum safe driving distance from a big rig is 150 ft.

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What you guys aren't seeing is the overall crackdown on speeders that is going on in our state an all surrounding states here in the midwest. Lots o' unmarked troopers out there. With all the construction going on there is a virtual gold mine of revenue for the states with the fines being what they are in construction zones. Gettin' popped once for $375+ is all it takes to get most speeders attention. Personally, I think this is major BS. State planners shoud be hung for tearing up all the roads in the state at once during a fuel price crisis. WTF??? People have to be real dunces to keep voting for these a-holes.

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I am Vtec-ing this thing everywhere. I have more of a lead food in the car than on the bike, it may just be due to the car being new to me . People definitely seem to be driving slower, but I believe it is more due to the contruction, traffic, and trooper pressence than gas prices. My safety measure, which is to slow down for all American town cars, crown vics, Malibus, etc, has kept me out of tickets for a bit. The second they start using Hondas and Toyotas, I will not go over the speed limit . Sloroll is right, Chicago has gotten ridiculous with all the fees, taxes, and such. Hell, next month I will have to shell out $100 for stickers for the bike and car, then another $130 for the plate stickers

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What you guys aren't seeing is the overall crackdown on speeders that is going on in our state an all surrounding states here in the midwest. Lots o' unmarked troopers out there. With all the construction going on there is a virtual gold mine of revenue for the states with the fines being what they are in construction zones. Gettin' popped once for $375+ is all it takes to get most speeders attention. Personally, I think this is major BS. State planners shoud be hung for tearing up all the roads in the state at once during a fuel price crisis. WTF??? People have to be real dunces to keep voting for these a-holes.
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It's retarded.
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What you guys aren't seeing is the overall crackdown on speeders that is going on in our state an all surrounding states here in the midwest. Lots o' unmarked troopers out there. With all the construction going on there is a virtual gold mine of revenue for the states with the fines being what they are in construction zones. Gettin' popped once for $375+ is all it takes to get most speeders attention. Personally, I think this is major BS. State planners shoud be hung for tearing up all the roads in the state at once during a fuel price crisis. WTF??? People have to be real dunces to keep voting for these a-holes.
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People are going slower because the past couple months the troopers have been out on 355 in MASS. I've seen huge speedtraps setup over the past couple months with over 10 cars pulled over at once. Total and complete bullshit. Every road is under construction, every road's speedlimit is lowered by at least 10mph whether the construction crews are there or not, and all of a sudden the state decides to cash in on this $375 ticket crap. It almost makes me relieved I don't have a streetbike right now.

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It's retarded.
Unless you have been one of the guys working in a construction zone and had to dive/jump for your life.
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the cops have gotten people to slow down and keep from speeding like maniacs?

holy shit! this is outrageous!

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