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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 05-18-2008, 05:22 PM Thread Starter
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Since the living room is getting cleaned up I figured its time to get an air purifier since the air in the house here is a dustfield between the age of the house and the dogs.

I'm a virgin when it comes to them, what kind would you recommend? Price isnt really an issue. The house is about 1800 sq ft and heres how it breaks down.

3 200 sq ft bedrooms (approximatly)
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I was looking at these IQPurifiers for around $650 or so but not sure if im just wasting money at that point or if it actually makes a difference?

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I have some Honeywell Enviracare HEPAs that I have been using for almost 10 years. I deal with them twice a year for the charcoal filter (wash/dry/reuse a few times) and the main filter itself maybe once every year or two. I got 3 out of one once in the bedroom upstairs because it's the least dusty.

The biggest help for the interior of the house is to keep it shut. Don't open windows, minimal door openings, etc. Have some ppl w/ allergies in the house, so I have to live it that way.

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I have bad allergies and have been using these for years. I have pets running around the house all the time too, but they do not bother me unless I unplug my units. Easy clean, just wipe off collection grids, and ready to go.

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fyi, Linens N Things sells the ionic breeze. I know you have a few of the 20% off coupons around. It's a pretty good machine, and if you don't mind the cost, it should be just what you need.

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Didn't the Sharper Image get sued because the Ionic Breeze actually made things worse by not only not purifying the air, but also putting out too much ozone?

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i just talked to somebody and they recommended a freshair unit? its about $700 but thats about what i was expecting anyway. Anybody use it before.

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Have no idea. My units have worked completely fine since I purchased them 5-6 years ago.

If someone sued them, they were just trying to get some easy money. My grandparents have some generic purifier and if you turn the ozone knob up too high, it'll give you a head ache. I have not had any of those problems with mine ionic breezes.

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Have no idea. My units have worked completely fine since I purchased them 5-6 years ago.

If someone sued them, they were just trying to get some easy money. My grandparents have some generic purifier and if you turn the ozone knob up too high, it'll give you a head ache. I have not had any of those problems with mine ionic breezes.
I have 2 of them and I agree they do work. I could really tell the difference when I smoked. I bought my mom one also and she loves it.
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i was reading about the ionic breezes and time after time there are articles about it emitting ozone and that can really get to people with asthma. (me, my brother and father have it) so i think thats out.

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I have asthma and have had no problems since I have owned these. I am allergic to everything except horse hair. These work very well. Your articles have to be wrong???

Your choice though, I was just pitching in ideas from experience. I have owned others and none have worked as well.

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The ionic breeze type purifers do emit small amounts of ozone. As you may now, ozone is corrosive to your lung tissue. I don't believe they produce enough ozone to be of major concern, but it is a con of these types of filters. The largest drawback to this type of filter is that it simply doesn't move enough of the air inside your house acorss their collection plates to be very effective. Think about it, there is no blower fan moving air through this type of filter. I don't dispute that it removes some black nasty gunk out of the air, but not enough to have much impact on a whole house.
As far as a whole house filter goes, it is probably easiest to get one that installs on the air return of your current HVAC system (if you have a forced air system). This means that you will need to run your furnance fan in order to filter the air. Honeywell makes several models. A HEPA level filter is a must if you really want to remove odors and allergians. They make versions that include an UV bulb to kill air borne viruses, bacteria, mold, etc. I don't have much experience with these. I have read that you would probably need several bulbs for them to actually be effective.

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The ionic breeze type purifers do emit small amounts of ozone. As you may now, ozone is corrosive to your lung tissue. I don't believe they produce enough ozone to be of major concern, but it is a con of these types of filters. The largest drawback to this type of filter is that it simply doesn't move enough of the air inside your house acorss their collection plates to be very effective. Think about it, there is no blower fan moving air through this type of filter. I don't dispute that it removes some black nasty gunk out of the air, but not enough to have much impact on a whole house.
As far as a whole house filter goes, it is probably easiest to get one that installs on the air return of your current HVAC system (if you have a forced air system). This means that you will need to run your furnance fan in order to filter the air. Honeywell makes several models. A HEPA level filter is a must if you really want to remove odors and allergians. They make versions that include an UV bulb to kill air borne viruses, bacteria, mold, etc. I don't have much experience with these. I have read that you would probably need several bulbs for them to actually be effective.
Im glad you mentined that because I did some research yesterday and found out the HEPA filters are gonna be your best bet, but the problem is the filter replacements are $80 every month or so. Definatly not worth it.

The freesh Air unit im looking at also i found dealer cost is $449. Dealers are selling them for $760 trying to push a warranty? wtf$250 for a warranty? Fok that. Also the fresh air unit also has an option to have a clean that emits ozone or not. Since my house is insanly dusty and i have pets thats my main concern. I can see the dust floating everywhere and its gotten to the point i cant stand it anymore. (house is old)


Now you also said honeywell has a system that goes into forced air (which i do have central air) so im almost thinking that might be the best bet. Are there any models you recommend?

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I would take a look at Honeywell's website to check out the differences in models. I don't have any personal experience with their newer models. That $80/month estimate for HEPA filters is kind of bogus as it would depend on WHO's filter system you were using, how often you ran it, how dirty your environment is, etc. etc. Most of the filters I have seen are rated for 3months on average. Some are even washable. The term HEPA stands for High Efficiency Particulate Air. The term is used to discribe a filter that is able to effectively filter very small air particles such as smoke and animal dander (99.97% efficient down to .3 micrometers). Another filter choice to consider for use with your HVAC system is an electro-static filter setup. This is actually very similar to an Ionic breeze filter in that metal plates are electrically charged and attract air contaminents. These filters types are nice because you rinse off the filters every couple of months and that is all that is required. Unless you are comfortable with bending metal ducts, you will probably need an HVAC guy to install either of these types of filter.
IMO, if you are concerned with Pets and allergies, I would do most of my searching on HEPA type filters. They are the gold standard for air filters.

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I saw the hepa filters from honeywell. The only question is would a filter in my heating ducts make that big of a difference? Because if so then im all about those.

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Ex's family had a huge one on the return system because one of the kids had bad allergies and it did the trick.
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I saw the hepa filters from honeywell. The only question is would a filter in my heating ducts make that big of a difference? Because if so then im all about those.
It would make all the difference in the world. Like I stated in an earlier post, you would need to cycle or run the HVAC blower fan in order to circulate air through this type of filter setup. Additionally, any time your AC or Heat is working, it is also filtering your air. Put it this way, when you compare your various air filter options, make sure you verify the CFM each type of filtering system would use. In other words, how much air does each type of filter system move (cleaned air). Trust me, the blower in your HVAC system will almost always out perform any of the stand alone units.
I also have a stand alone filter like the one Arch posted. These will work fine in a bedroom or office. If you really want to clean the air in the house, the best and most economical way to do so is to utilize your existing forced air ducts to move air over your filter media.
If you take it to an extreme, I have seen negative pressure rooms built with HEPA filtration that function as "safe rooms" in the case of a nuclear fallout. They require air-tight construction and large air movers in duct work in order to achieve this negative pressure affect (meaning, the only air that gets into the room is filtered air). They also line the ceiling and walls with lead sheets, but that's getting into a whole different topic.

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