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Helmet law for lane splitting = good trade?

So as I sat in a bit of traffic I had the thought. Illinois should allow lane splitting and adopt a helmet law. I think it's a good trade, less time being a sitting duck in traffic and safer motorcyclists.
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There was a vote about that same issue about a year or so ago in Sprinfiled - it was canned, thanks among other factors to the effort of our site sponsor - Abate.
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Adopt the Cali Law - Lane Splitting Legal with no more than 10 mph faster than the moving (or stopped) Traffic

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Adopt the Cali Law - Lane Splitting Legal with no more than 10 mph faster than the moving (or stopped) Traffic
Isn't that if the traffic is traveling slower than ____?
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Isn't that if the traffic is traveling slower than ____?
I forget the actual MPH the traffic must be at but I do remember the max over for splitting being 10 mph

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Do you know why ABATE opposes? I was looking on their current legislation list and they oppose a child helmet law http://www.abate-il.org/legislative/ondgo.htm

Seems like they are very for rider education but they against anything that tries to control in any way what a motorcyclist can or can't do. I would be for a law forcing passengers under 16 to wear a helmet. To be honest I think a helmet law makes sense. I get that some like the freedom of the wind in your hair, but if you bonk your head you will eventually become a ward of the state. To me that means tax dollars that could be used to maintain roads educate riders or more importantly educate our children, will be spent to wipe drool of some jackasses chin.
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Do you know why ABATE opposes? I was looking on their current legislation list and they oppose a child helmet law http://www.abate-il.org/legislative/ondgo.htm

Seems like they are very for rider education but they against anything that tries to control in any way what a motorcyclist can or can't do. I would be for a law forcing passengers under 16 to wear a helmet. To be honest I think a helmet law makes sense. I get that some like the freedom of the wind in your hair, but if you bonk your head you will eventually become a ward of the state. To me that means tax dollars that could be used to maintain roads educate riders or more importantly educate our children, will be spent to wipe drool of some jackasses chin.
i think there reasoning is, if they make a helmet law its just the first of many laws to come down the pipe. they are trying to stop it at the head.

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Helmet for lane splitting would be an excellent trade off.

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Helmet for lane splitting would be an excellent trade off.
you guys still fail to realize. the asshole cagers who still think they are gonna "show you" even though its completely legal to lane split in traffic. then your lying in the hospital and all that guy gets is a slap on the wrist.

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you guys still fail to realize. the asshole cagers who still think they are gonna "show you" even though its completely legal to lane split in traffic. then your lying in the hospital and all that guy gets is a slap on the wrist.
it would take a few years to get everyone used to the fact, but you have to start sometime. I understand why ABATE is against helmet law and disagree with them, but don't want to start this endless argument here.

That said - I was stuck in a half mile long traffic jam few days ago and started lane splitting after I was going to die at 75 degrees wearing my leather jacket with liner.

Shortly, lincoln navigator is trying to pull out to block my path about 2-3 cars ahead of me...I swing to the other side of the SUV to make a save pass when I see a hand stuck out of the driver's window...holding a badge

He gave me a safety speech from his SUV and let me get in front of him..., probably to get my plates written down. I wonder if he gets me a ticket, could I fight it in court based on the fact he cut me off and endangered my life?
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Ahhh...the "Public Burden theory"... The fact is that in the real world the actual number of motorcyclists that have actually been put on public assitance due to head trauma is less than .002% of ALL Americans that are on public assitance for medical reasons...the public burden theory doesn't hold up AND it was the brainchild of a group of anti motorcycle safety nazis over 20 years ago in an effort to trump up public support for helmet laws. These same people were the ones who wanted to outright ban Sportbikes Nationally, and much to your surprise I'm sure...It was A.B.A.T.E (and other SMRO's) , the MRF and the AMA working jointly that stopped the proposed Sportbike ban dead! Yep...the "Harley riders" or "cruiser crowd" as some would put it, stepped up on behalf of the sportbike riders and got the Bill defeated!
The underage helmet law is two things that A.B.A.T.E opposes...1. It's a "foot in the door" attempt at getting a helmet law to the floor for a vote and getting support for it under the guise of "protecting children" and then has a rider attached to include adults just as the vote is being taken ...AND...#2. It's the "Nanny State" usurping the right and responsibility of the parent!
A helmet law approach to motorcycle safety is a "have a safer crash" approach to motorcycle safety...A.B.A.T.E's emphasis on rider training and motorist awareness is a "don't have the crash at all" approach.
As to "lane splitting" or "filtering"...It is NOT legal in California, IT IS not illegal, and it is tolerated by the state police who have full discretion as to whether or not the rider should be cited for generic charges such as Reckless driving.
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Sure the slippery slope argument. Don't get me wrong here I own my own business and believe me I get real sick of government getting up my ass. But I also think we should do what is necessary the idiot kid who jumps on a bike that is way out of their league without a helmet on because they are still believe that they are invincible. Or the age old "I'd rater be dead than a vegetable" of course they don't realize that they are 10000 times more likely to end up a vegetable in a minor incident that they would have walked away form had they been wearing a helmet.

Honestly the helmet law thing is kind of a dead horse, we all know why you should wear a helmet. I'm really most interested in lane splitting.
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Honestly the helmet law thing is kind of a dead horse, we all know why you should wear a helmet. I'm really most interested in lane splitting.
you can be interested it all you want, even if it was legal, its not the smartest thing to do. even if there was a law making it ok, there will still be some cager with an axe to grind.

on my ride to work, i have had multiple cagers use there cars as road blocks to me even though i'm completely in my own lane.

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How long does a free society stay free if we start making exceptions to personal freedoms and the ability of even the stupid or foolhardy to make choices for themselves? There is more at stake here, and I'm not just talking about helmet laws, even though it's the example at hand. Americans have been accepting a slow diminishing of their ability to determine for themselves what is good for them for far too long and far too much! In the grand scheme of things a helmet law is very small, but in the longrun...where do you draw the line? Because I am a hard core motorcycle enthusiast, and have been one for many years, a helmet law is one of the places I've chosen to draw that line. We all know that a helmet can reduce the severity of head injuries in an accident, but that ability is limited. BUT... the helmet law proponants give the non-motorcycling public the impression that the helmet is a magic pill and infallible..."All we have to do is pass this law and everyone who rides a motorcycle will be safe!" We ride...we know it doesn't work that way. Because of the limits of helmets...in a free society...shouldn't we be allowed to choose for ourselves?
The other side of this coin is..."Now that we have a helmet law in Illinois..we won't be needing rider training any more"... and our illustrious Governor would get his hands on more of OUR money (not tax money) to squander on "buying" his re-election (if he doesn't get indicted).
There is ALOT more to this than meets the eye and trading legalized lane splitting for a mandatory helmet law would NOT be worth it...for 2 reasons: 1. Anyone who wants to lane split on the Dan Ryan or the Kennedy or the Stevenson or the Tri-State Tollway etc. is certifiably insane and should be commited to a home for the mentally ill for their own protection! Take it from me...I've lived in Chicago all of my life and I've been riding for over 35 years!
2. They'd pass the necessary legislation for the ill-conceived trade off, and after a riding season (or less) they'd change the law saying that lane splitting is TOO dangerous! Believe it or not, that was the plan last year when this was originally proposed...friendly politicians let us in on it!

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so it is not about helmets after all it about bigger bikes...................
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There is ALOT more to this than meets the eye and trading legalized lane splitting for a mandatory helmet law would NOT be worth it...for 2 reasons: 1. Anyone who wants to lane split on the Dan Ryan or the Kennedy or the Stevenson or the Tri-State Tollway etc. is certifiably insane and should be commited to a home for the mentally ill for their own protection! Take it from me...I've lived in Chicago all of my life and I've been riding for over 35 years!
2. They'd pass the necessary legislation for the ill-conceived trade off, and after a riding season (or less) they'd change the law saying that lane splitting is TOO dangerous! Believe it or not, that was the plan last year when this was originally proposed...friendly politicians let us in on it!

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I am absolutely against our crook of a gov getting his hands on rider education money. If anything I think more money needs to be dedicated to it. I would support something along the lines of an extra $4 fee at license renewal to keep your M endorsement all of the money going to more MSF courses.

I guess if I'm honest with myself about how I ride the situations where I'd split lanes would be very few. My attitudes and acceptable risks are different than when I was 21. I would never split lanes in rush hour traffic downtown, but where I live now I could creep alongside a line of cars on Randal rd and be out of everyones way instead of waiting for 5 light cycles as some drunken soccer mom talking on her cell phone while changing the DVD for her screaming kids in the back hopefully doesn't run me over. I'd rather manage and deal with things happening in front of me that I can see then have someone take me out from behind. I also know that the same idiot riding in flip-flops a t-shirt and no helmet may interpret the law to mean that he can do stunts down the highway at 10 mph faster than traffic.
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So the question I want answered is: Is lane splitting legal in the state of Illinois? At this current moment.
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So the question I want answered is: Is lane splitting legal in the state of Illinois? At this current moment.
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He gave me a safety speech from his SUV and let me get in front of him..., probably to get my plates written down. I wonder if he gets me a ticket, could I fight it in court based on the fact he cut me off and endangered my life?
seems like your the only one endangering your own life.

you know what the law is and you're coming up with pretty weak excuses to justify your actions.

if you do get a ticket, man up and write the check

if you're interested in getting the law changed, then go make a phone call or write a letter to your state representative and let him know your desires. being a rebel in front of people tasked to enforce the current laws isn't an effective use of your time

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As having rode in Kalifornia and split lanes with the best of em', I'm here ta tell ya, it's fookin' dangerous as hell. Cagers do not like bikes lane splitting and they let you know it. And we all know it's always Car 1, Biker 0 when it comes to a shovin' contest.

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