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fair price? the cheapest price? " SHOPPING! "oh this should be a good thread"

whats fair?


how do you guys figure this amount?


i for 1 can not find it reasonable or even feasible to walk into any store and fill my parts basket/shopping cart/ or a service industry type business and when its time to go to the register they ring it up, and then you say THATS TO MUCH! thats not a fair price.



what are you basing it off of?


please i really wanna know!


enlighten me



p.s. leave out price haggle items IE: cars, bikes,boats, etc. those are general price haggle items.


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Ken, you're all over the place there...

I think your asking how people could have the balls to haggle for a better price at a store?

I don't know anyone that does that...everyone I know just goes online for better pricing then at stores, me included.

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I'll definitely go to a MC or other small store and haggle prices. Most times it's negotiable. I'm not an ass about it, but I tell them what I can find it for online and let them tell me if they will lower the price. Most times they will lower their price, although often not as low as online. If it's close I'll buy it from them.

The way I see it, I'm giving them a chance to get my business. Would they rather I just go buy the item online? I doubt it.

Oh and if it's something cheap and small where shipping charges would eat up any savings, I'll pay their asking price. In that case I believe it's "fair" to begin with.

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all i see is

Im gonna take a shot at this one. ABT for instance if any of you havent noticed IS WAY over priced why cause they bargain with you. Hike the price up and haggle to what is normally sells for which makes you think you got a deal but inreality have not.

When i buy from there I make sure i go in with the Online price from their website along with a print out of the same items from other place. For instance crutch field usually has the same stuff at great prices. abt 3x times higher. Helps to know the MRSP also. Also found another BS thing that ABT does they will not install a after market stereo equipment unless purchased from them

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hows that? hope it makes it "easier" to understand.



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I know what you are asking but.... where are you talking about doing it?


You can haggle prices at circuit city for some electronics. I have haggled on buying music equipment from Guitar Center...etc.

Are you asking about a specific store?

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If your asking if I haggle at stores for say a patio table, I have tried, but it doesn't work very often. Sometimes they'll give you a 10% discount if you open up a charge account, but that's about it. I usually go online and shop for a better price like Lonely Raven said.

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I'll definitely go to a MC or other small store and haggle prices. Most times it's negotiable. I'm not an ass about it, but I tell them what I can find it for online and let them tell me if they will lower the price. Most times they will lower their price, although often not as low as online. If it's close I'll buy it from them.

The way I see it, I'm giving them a chance to get my business. Would they rather I just go buy the item online? I doubt it.

Oh and if it's something cheap and small where shipping charges would eat up any savings, I'll pay their asking price. In that case I believe it's "fair" to begin with.
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I know what you are asking but.... where are you talking about doing it?


You can haggle prices at circuit city for some electronics. I have haggled on buying music equipment from Guitar Center...etc.

Are you asking about a specific store?
you can haggle circut city? holy shit i didnt even know they would budge!
how about best buy?


so pretty much your theory is you can haggle any brick and motor business saying that item is cheaper on line and can you discount it to the price i found it for on line and fuck your price its not my fault you got over head?

thats how you shop?



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Go shopping with Flips. They'll lowball anyone, anywhere, anytime, for anything.
i would love to go and see this and witness the whole process from the customer side and from the business owners side.

i want to see this and learn from it.

maybe i am the idiot for holding certain standards and understandings and maybe my view point is the confusing one since i also too run the site maybe it would enlighten me dealing with internet people dealing with business in the brick and motor realm.

honestly.



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I always ask for a better price, if you don't ask you don't get. If they don't want to lower their price I consider the service I got and the difference in price that I would pay vs the time to go somewhere else or order online.
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I won't say anything to the store personnel about the price unless they ask me if I am going to buy, or why I'm not going to buy an item there. In many places, I figure that is what the people in that area are willing to pay, otherwise the price wouldn't be that high to begin with.

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i would love to go and see this and witness the whole process from the customer side and from the business owners side.

i want to see this and learn from it.

maybe i am the idiot for holding certain standards and understandings and maybe my view point is the confusing one since i also too run the site maybe it would enlighten me dealing with internet people dealing with business in the brick and motor realm.

honestly.
My post was more of a joke, lol. Really, though, i've seen my mom lowballl people when she KNOWS damn well that they cannot lower/bend the prices, but that's just how she is. My moms a nurse and sells jewelry on the side, so she's really good about price haggling and stuff, what she doesn't understand is that she can't do that will stores.

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I say 10% because I know what brick and mortar need to continue as a business to pay for overhead costs, salary, taxes, bills, etc etc etc. on average

With that said, I'm not going to pay $500 for a set of tires when I can get them for 50% cheaper.
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you can haggle circut city? holy shit i didnt even know they would budge!
how about best buy?


so pretty much your theory is you can haggle any brick and motor business saying that item is cheaper on line and can you discount it to the price i found it for on line and fuck your price its not my fault you got over head?

thats how you shop?
Obviously this is on certain items. I wouldn't go haggling the cost of a $20 item but other wise yes. I shop out my prices and test the waters at those type stores. If I don't get the deal I am looking for I go on my way.

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For what? I don't sell anything for 10% over cost.
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I say 10% because I know what brick and mortar need to continue as a business to pay for overhead costs, salary, taxes, bills, etc etc etc. on average
I disagree with this.

My overhead is WAY more than 10%.
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I disagree with this.

My overhead is WAY more than 10%.
That's why I said on average Depends on your industry, in simple warehousing distributors, it is approx 10%. What are we talking about here anyway? Manufacturing? Gold mining?
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Circuit City, back in the days of comissioned sales people, constantly negotiated prices. Especially if you were buying the warranty, or ESP as it was known as. The sales person tried not to cut too low because this would hurt their comission. Always ask for a better price on video, car and home audio, and items like mini systems and boom boxes. They have a lot of margin in them, and knocking a few bucks off them is no big thing. By looking at the computer screen at CC you can tell how much margin is in the product. Look for the stock number and read the number backwards.
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I say 10% because I know what brick and mortar need to continue as a business to pay for overhead costs, salary, taxes, bills, etc etc etc. on average

With that said, I'm not going to pay $500 for a set of tires when I can get them for 50% cheaper.


That's funny. I know that 10% doesn't even come close to paying the overhead for a motorcycle shop.

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I think it really depends what you're buying. For electronics, you can buy online for less, but you won't get the instant gratification of having the widget in your hands right away. If the wait of a few days is not worth saving 10-40% on, then by all means buy it locally.

For the bike, I may have over paid somewhat on it, but I saved time by not having to drive very far to buy it. I saved $$ in fuel too. Finally, they took the old dreck off my hands which in itself was well worth the $500 or more that I might of saved if I bought the new one elsewhere. I can't imagine the hassle of trying to sell a leaky old bike with super high miles. Finally, my discussion about price was all OTD. I could care less how they manipulated the numbers to arrive at the final price.

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as you can see there is many different view points on this and YES its all confusing. there is no good way to ask what i asked to get the simple answer.

the simple answer is :to get the cheapest price.

but now i see you guys talking more about it (people that work for business in higher up positions that are let into the business issues of supply and demand and also profit line margins needed in order to maintain and also profit what you can for its common object or specialized and how much more i can charge based off that.

i don't want to influence which is why i am trying to stay out of this as much as possible. i know a lot of both sides and i am interested in learning the general perception of this major issue in our local and also the united states economy




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Circuit City, back in the days of comissioned sales people, constantly negotiated prices. Especially if you were buying the warranty, or ESP as it was known as. The sales person tried not to cut too low because this would hurt their comission. Always ask for a better price on video, car and home audio, and items like mini systems and boom boxes. They have a lot of margin in them, and knocking a few bucks off them is no big thing. By looking at the computer screen at CC you can tell how much margin is in the product. Look for the stock number and read the number backwards.
At Grants, remember BLACKSTOVE. B=1,L=2 and so on. Look at the price tag. This is the lowest they will sell a product for. For more secrets, pm me. I am court ordered not to tell industry secrets. True motha f$cking story.

im not following what blackstove means. if you need to PM me, please do. I just bought a stove from there and probably have to go back for a dryer.

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I am the worlds worst shopper. I just want to go someplace find what I want and not feel too ripped off.

I value my time and sanity more than anything.

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I am the worlds worst shopper. I just want to go someplace find what I want and not feel too ripped off.

I value my time and sanity more than anything.

Maybe I have too much faith in people being honest.
That's not necessarily a bad thing. I've seen people spend hours looking for a better price on something that ended up only saving them a few bucks. I guess it's all about how much you value your time. I've also seen people drive far and spend more in gas than they saved over a local shop.

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