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Motorcycles Pollute More Than SUVs (?)

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/06/motorcycles-pol.html

"Motorcycles and scooters are an appealing alternative to shelling out big bucks filling up the family truckster, which is one reason sales are going through the roof. But riding on two wheels may not be any more environmentally responsible than riding on four.

Turns out the average motorcycle is 10 times more polluting per mile than a passenger car, light truck or SUV. It seems counter-intuitive, because motorcycles are about twice as fuel-efficient as cars and emit a lot less C02."

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I say BS.

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It's a fucking blog.
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But the argument isn't that people want to be more "environmentally responsible" it's that they are trying to save money by not paying a ton "filling up the family truckster". Which makes the rest of it all not worth reading to me.

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"the average motorcycle" LOL

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I say BS.
I'm pretty skeptical of this as well, but I think there may be some truth to it. Fuel economy and emission don't necessarily go together. Bikes get good fuel economy because of small engines coupled with light weight. However, we have to consider that our bikes have high performance engines. I'm sure that the engine in our bikes are even more high performance than an engine in a sports car. They are built to do one thing for the most part, go fast. The fuel economy is an added bonus, but that is because of 600CC/1000CC engines.

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In motorcycle terms, that's like taking your Ducati to a dealer for service, and they hand you back a 1979 backfiring Honda 400 Hawk.. because after all, a bike is a bike.
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Reading the blog it makes sense. Bikes don't have the emissions control crap on them that cages do so naturally they'd pollute more of certain types of gases.

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pretty obvious since motorcycles don't have catalytic converters. Motorcycles release more unburned fuel than any OBDII vehicle on the road.
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pretty obvious since motorcycles don't have catalytic converters. Motorcycles release more unburned fuel than any OBDII vehicle on the road.
bikes have cats
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bikes have cats
must be tough to fed 'em.

newer bikes do. Look how long it took to mandate fuel injection and cats on a bike. There are many bikes on the road with a carb burning more than 200ppm of HC vs 10ppmHC or less in a car.
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Well if it's on the internet it must be true. I am selling both my bikes and getting an Escalade and Excursion to help the environment.

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pretty obvious since motorcycles don't have catalytic converters. Motorcycles release more unburned fuel than any OBDII vehicle on the road.
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must be tough to fed 'em.

newer bikes do. Look how long it took to mandate fuel injection and cats on a bike. There are many bikes on the road with a carb burning more than 200ppm of HC vs 10ppmHC or less in a car.
That was quick.
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That was quick.
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Reading the blog it makes sense. Bikes don't have the emissions control crap on them that cages do so naturally they'd pollute more of certain types of gases.
I read an article (not a blog!) that basically summed it up like what Chills said. No emissionss crap, lots more pollution per mile.

But if ou weigh cars vs motorcycles and total tons of pollutions, motorcycles are a drop in the bucket.

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This goes to show you how a little misinformation goes a LONG way!
Back around 2002/2003 when there was open public comment and the EPA regs for motorcycles that went into effect in 2005 were being formulated, Christy Todd-Whitman made that statement to show cause why the EPA needed to formulate new tough standards to apply to motorcycles. It was based on the fact that no new standards had been set for motorcycles since 1968 and that the standards that had been set for cars, SUV's, Trucks, Busses, etc. since then had cut their "polluting emissions" 10 times. It was, of course, twisted statistical data designed to support the case that new standards were needed for motorcycles and scooters and was used to garner public support. Of course, the eco freaks latched on to it and , to them it has become the indisputable gospel truth.
IT WAS NOT INDESPUTABLE TRUTH THEN...IT IS NOT NOW! It is just what I said it was...BULL$HIT (a one word definition of twisted statistacal data) all packaged up nicely to bamboozle the public into supporting a position and to justify new regulation.

The new regulations that went into effect in 2005 have done some good things, its brought about some good changes that have made motorcycles more efficient and environmentallly friendly, but the downside is that the regs are being phased in over time, and some of what is coming won't make anyone who is into motorcycles happy. But, that's a different discussion.

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ok, how 'bout this?

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/09june08_2strokes.htm

"In light of some rumors that street legal two-strokes might make a comeback (incorporating the latest clean burning technology, no doubt), our friend Tor sent us this concept drawing of a new Yamaha RD350 (courtesy of artist Oberdan Bezzi). You may recall that clean burning two-strokes do exist, but many recent efforts to introduce commercially viable street legal two-stroke street bikes in Europe and the U.S. have been unsuccessful. "

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That figures.

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The exception being California bikes for years which were built to different specs then the rest of the country. They were also a tad bit slower and no one wanted them when I worked at LKS.
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If it is true I am still gonna save money and ride around. My kids may not have grass in the future due to polution but atleast they will have a house to hide in away from the depleted Ozone layer and sun rays.

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that thing is fucking hot


Quote from the first article "Catalytic converters and other emissions control devices would clean things up, but they're often too big, too heavy or too hot to install on motorcycles"

HA!

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Nothing compared to the Toyota Tundra, huh??
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It is true that cycles pollute more than cars, but the big differance is that there are only 5.3 million street bilkes. There are a LOT more cars and trucks.

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It is true that cycles pollute more than cars, but the big differance is that there are only 5.3 million street bilkes. There are a LOT more cars and trucks.
plus the fact that we own multiple bikes. They should write an article on the "overall" effect that SUVs have vs motorcycles. SUVs take up more room, unefficient, uses more resources, worse fuel mileage etc...
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plus the fact that we own multiple bikes. They should write an article on the "overall" effect that SUVs have vs motorcycles. SUVs take up more room, unefficient, uses more resources, worse fuel mileage etc...
Exactly. The blog skews the info there making it sound like bikes are bad guys.

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Who cares if I ride a rolling smog machine as long as I'm saving $
+1 I couldn't care less. Tundra = 14mpg, R1=30mpg. I'm going to go to environmentalist-wacko hell anyways because I drive a big evil pickup truck and tear up the woods and run over little woodland creatures on my smoky 2 stroke dirtbikes.
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Could it also have to do with the fact that bikes only have a rider capacity of 2 so MPG/rider might be less than a 15 MPG SUV packed with 7 people.

I read last week on CNN that commercial jets get horrible gas milage but what makes them more green than a car is that you can fill them with 100+ people.

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Could it also have to do with the fact that bikes only have a rider capacity of 2 so MPG/rider might be less than a 15 MPG SUV packed with 7 people.

I read last week on CNN that commercial jets get horrible gas milage but what makes them more green than a car is that you can fill them with 100+ people.



True Dat ...... but 90% of the time the big-ass SUV has
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I've always heard the same about lawn mowers, chain saws, any small gas engine -- they don't use much gas but they make up for it in the amount of pollution they put out.

Newer Ducati Monsters come with a big, ugly 10lb steel catalytic converter nicknamed the "udder," between the header and the exhaust cans. Apparently, the cat converter is required by the ECU. The story I heard was that because the bikes are all assembled in Bologna, bikes designated for the US still have the udder even though its not required under US law, because the stock exhaust was designed around it.

The udder is the reason one of the first things everyone does with a monster is replace the exhaust, and you have to replace the whole thing, not just add slip-ons, to get rid of the udder -- and why replacing the whole stock exhaust dropped 25lbs from my bike. Of course the very first thing you do with a monster is remove the big ugly plastic gasoline vapor recovery canister, but that's a whole 'nother story.
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