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Harley Rider Double Standard???

So I'm out cruising today going West on Rt 30 in Indiana and I pass a guy on a crotch rocket ok "sport bike" , He is wearing a T-shirt, No helmet, No Gloves, but at least he had jeans on and tennis shoes and I think to myself "what a squid!" But then I realize! I am wearing the typical "Harley Rider Gear" Sleeveless shirt with a leather vest (gotta show off the tattoos), gloves, jeans, Harley boots, No helmet (But I did spike up my mohawk that should protect me ) So I guess Harley riders have a do as I say don't do as I do mentality

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yeah pretty much.. i have no issues with it. Harleys can't do 140 in the blink of an eye.

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it's a different ride, I used to rarely wear a helmet on my harley, btu I almost always do on my sportbikes.




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yeah pretty much.. i have no issues with it. Harleys can't do 140 in the blink of an eye.

OH YEA......Ever hear of an XR750? Ever see one on The mile? Or set up for road racing running at Daytona? Or converted to a streetbike kicking all the unsuspecting street racing UJM fours a$$es at the "incinerator" ? (probably before your time, but it was quite a sight!)


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So I'm out cruising today going West on Rt 30 in Indiana and I pass a guy on a crotch rocket ok "sport bike" , He is wearing a T-shirt, No helmet, No Gloves, but at least he had jeans on and tennis shoes and I think to myself "what a squid!" But then I realize! I am wearing the typical "Harley Rider Gear" Sleeveless shirt with a leather vest (gotta show off the tattoos), gloves, jeans, Harley boots, No helmet (But I did spike up my mohawk that should protect me ) So I guess Harley riders have a do as I say don't do as I do mentality

Not true I wear full gear on my Harley, and a full face helmet.

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Man that dude has a nice rack though....
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Harleys can't do 140 in the blink of an eye.
You've never been on one of the Vrods.

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i had a vrod mess with me once out on rte. 12, i think it was, to mich. city. bikes` got some muscle but i got tired of playin and just twisted my right hand. end of subject.

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It's a moot point. We all like to play dress-up when we get on the bikes. Some wear power ranger gear and some wear dirty biker gear. It's all an image thing.

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Funny thing is, physics are the same no matter what bike you ride. You can break your head and be spoon fed the rest of your life at 15MPH on any one of them.

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Rudy, you wear a helmet on the Triumph, buy not on the pimp HD? Kinda surprised. How is it running now, got that electrical thing figured out?
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You've never been on one of the Vrods.
Dave's Nightrod Special is bad ass! It's a total sleeper... It's funny to watch people on all kinds of bikes (and in cars) whip around to try to figure out what kind of bike it is. No one can believe it's a Harley!

And Dave has a rule...no one gets on his bike without gear...period. Doesn't matter if it's a Harley or not... crashes happen regardless if it's a cruiser or sportbike.

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Ever hit your head on concrete at 15 mph? Ever slid across concrete at 5 mph?

I'm pretty sure even a Harley can do 15 mph.

Take a "homebase slide" across a parking lot as fast as you can run wearing a t-shirt and no helmet, see how you fare. Next time wear gear.

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OH YEA......Ever hear of an XR750? Ever see one on The mile? Or set up for road racing running at Daytona? Or converted to a streetbike kicking all the unsuspecting street racing UJM fours a$$es at the "incinerator" ? (probably before your time, but it was quite a sight!)


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hahaha, firmly in cheeck is right. How many xr750s do you see that aren't in a museum or in an old flat track photo? rare man, rare. Harelys, for the most part, are slow overweight and underpowered.

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Dave's Nightrod Special is bad ass! It's a total sleeper... It's funny to watch people on all kinds of bikes (and in cars) whip around to try to figure out what kind of bike it is. No one can believe it's a Harley!

And Dave has a rule...no one gets on his bike without gear...period. Doesn't matter if it's a Harley or not... crashes happen regardless if it's a cruiser or sportbike.
I need to track that thing... I hear that they can be fun.... BRING IT to the track Dave!!

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hahaha, firmly in cheeck is right. How many xr750s do you see that aren't in a museum or in an old flat track photo? rare man, rare. Harelys, for the most part, are slow overweight and underpowered.
found this one on ebay last night: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harle...mZ280233259404

how rare can they be?
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I need to track that thing... I hear that they can be fun.... BRING IT to the track Dave!!
Brian..lol..Dave's bringing it to Bike Night Tuesday to Dyno it...come up!!! Have you ridin' yet? Dave doesn't let ANYONE ride his Harley, except I KNOW he'd let you and Greg!!! It's bad ass...

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crap I out ran a Vrod on Algonquin with my POS 1994 FZR600R with 82HP.

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found this one on ebay last night: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harle...mZ280233259404

how rare can they be?
in running condition...well probably pretty scarce, this one 3 years old and yet has 0 miles

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"It's a differant ride," "they can't do 140 in the blink of an eye."



So, the pavement is softer if I hit it at 40 MPH instead of 80?

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Wink you need to track the street rod version, of that bike, it has rear sets instead of forward controls, more ground clearance, and a steeper rake angle.




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"It's a differant ride," "they can't do 140 in the blink of an eye."



So, the pavement is softer if I hit it at 40 MPH instead of 80?
it's the same as a bullet being fired and hitting the ground as a bullet being dropped.
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hahaha, firmly in cheeck is right. How many xr750s do you see that aren't in a museum or in an old flat track photo? rare man, rare. Harelys, for the most part, are slow overweight and underpowered.
The XR is still very much available, IF you have the price of admission. They have been highly developed and are still the dominant bike in dirt track racing.
Take an XR motor with just a few go fast goodies, put it in a decent 4130 frame, like a Lawill or Trackmaster, set it up streetlegal as a street tracker with a reasonbly unrestricted exhaust (not any louder than say a Thunderheader or Kerker) and go hunting 600/750 sportbikes and you'll shock the shit out of 'em and leave 'em with their eyes wide and their mouths wider!
Those of you that think all HD's are slow, overweight and underpowered have just not run into the right bike yet. HD's can get up and go when built and tuned right. The difference is that they must be modified...alot...the sportbikes out of the box produce big power, that's true...but a well fettled FXR, DYNA, V-Rod or converted XR would make a believer out of you!
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Those of you that think all HD's are slow, overweight and underpowered have just not run into the right bike yet. HD's can get up and go when built and tuned right. The difference is that they must be modified...alot...the sportbikes out of the box produce big power, that's true...but a well fettled FXR, DYNA, V-Rod or converted XR would make a believer out of you!
Like the man said..."Speed is just a question of money ...How fast can you afford to go?"
thats the thing. you have to "run into them". why are you talking about modified harleys that may be 1 out of every 1000+ that you see on the road? EVERY liter bike you see on the road is a 9sec bike. no mods needed. not that it has ANYTHING to do with helmets or wearing gear. but when you have a faster bike you can get yourself in trouble a lot faster. its just a fact.

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A bike is not safer because it is slower. All bikes should be respected. If they are not, they will bite you .... in a hurry. Wear your gear whether you are going to the mini-mart to get some milk or going to PA to get a cheeseburger.

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thats the thing. you have to "run into them". why are you talking about modified harleys that may be 1 out of every 1000+ that you see on the road? EVERY liter bike you see on the road is a 9sec bike. no mods needed. not that it has ANYTHING to do with helmets or wearing gear. but when you have a faster bike you can get yourself in trouble a lot faster. its just a fact.
I know I went a bit off topic, I was just havin' a little fun and deceminating some info with a blanket statement about HD's and a couple of the other statements that played into that.

On Topic: I've been riding longer than a good majority of CLSB members have been around... PLEASE...wear at least the bare minimum of protection...helmet and eye protection, gloves, long sleeves of at least heavy denim, good pants of heavy denim and boots. The heavy denim is not as good a specific protective material, but it's better than a t-shirt and shorts!

My final point on HD's
High performance HD's are not as far and few between as you might think. It's just that the owners and riders of those bikes run in different circles than the sport bike crowd. It's also an illustration of generational differences and different schools of thought. No offense, but the younger crowd that is into sport bikes are more into instant gratification...buy the fast bike and go fast! That's not wrong, just fact...The guy who builds the Hi Po HD gets a BIG portion of his gratification from the building of the bike...the making the plan and doing research on what he thinks will work best and then putting it into action and actually spinning the wrenches and bringing it to life. It's a different mindset. Neither is right or wrong...and both could stand to learn a little from the other...like HD guys wearing gear and sportbike guys recognizing the blood and sweat that goes into building a Hi Po bike instead of just buying it.
Surely this is a bit of a generalization and there are exceptions on both sides...but I think I've made my point clear.
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