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Gixxer Tank Anomaly

As promised, here are the pics from my tank, they're hard to photograph well but you'll get an idea of what happened.

Black bike, black tank with black tank bag sitting in the sun on an 80 degree day, magnets on tank bag left these marks:








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It kinda looks like the paint got hot and melted on to the cloth around your magnets. Weird.
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It kinda looks like the paint got hot and melted on to the cloth around your magnets. Weird.
Yeah, except it's not cloth, it's a rubberized material so there's nothing for the paint to cling to like fabric strands.

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WEIRD i cant wait to see it. has ANYONE ever had a problem like with stock paint or repainted by anyone. i dont care please speak freely i am asking. cause i wanna know wtf?

but i will tell ya dude. you beat that tank up....lol



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I've only had it for 2 months now, I've waxed it twice and have only had the tank bag for 3 weeks now. Looked pretty much how it is when I got it sans the marks from the bag.


I've always been of the mindset that bikes are to be ridden, not cleaned though, so...

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but i will tell ya dude. you beat that tank up....lol
that thing was like a MIRROR!

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that is really strange. I did a long weekend trip with a tank bag mid summer and had no issues.

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I have had the same thing happen on both of the paint jobs my bike has had since I've owned it. The magnets are so strong, and the paint is so flexible that it leaves these marks on mine as well.

Roll that thing out in the sun and let it get hot without the bag on it, those will go away just like mine did. Only use the bag when you have to, then take it off right away if the marks bother you that much.

I know the magnets are way too strong, because my bag hangs vertical on my tool chest door and will only come off if I "peel" it. You can also take a heat gun and warm the area up if you aren't getting the desired results, just be careful because your tank vent is very close by.

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Just throwing this out there...

But if you *smell* the bag, does it smell like glue or thinner or anything?

Maybe the "rubber" pockets that hold the magnets are off gassing something that interacted with the HOK clear coat making it soften up?

Edit: I just read Devil Dog's post. I have a tank bag with magnets strong enough that I can hang it from my fridge with 10lbs of Nikon in it, and my SV doesn't have any marks in the paint besides scuffs from use.

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Just throwing this out there...

But if you *smell* the bag, does it smell like glue or thinner or anything?

Maybe the "rubber" pockets that hold the magnets are off gassing something that interacted with the HOK clear coat making it soften up?

Edit: I just read Devil Dog's post. I have a tank bag with magnets strong enough that I can hang it from my fridge with 10lbs of Nikon in it, and my SV doesn't have any marks in the paint besides scuffs from use.
You have a factory paint job with a very hard shell and a very thin clear coat. All the paint that was on mine (both times) was super flexible which is why the marks are left in ours and not yours. I also have about 6 coats of clear, vs 1 very thin coat of factory..... Apples to Oranges.

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Dudem do you dry that bike with sandpaper after washing it? the clear is scratched to hell.




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I found this while researching the issue. It doesnt help you now, but it might help those who want to prevent this in the future.

paint protector

Dont know how well they work though.
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I found this while researching the issue. It doesnt help you now, but it might help those who want to prevent this in the future.

paint protector

Dont know how well they work though.
ohhh that is a nice idea, I wonder if it's similar to the clear bra's people are using for their cars.




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In all my years of using tankbags.... magnetic and otherwise..... I have
*never* seen that on a tank. If you clean the tank before mounting the
bag *every single time* the paint stay factory fresh.



Really important that you avoid trapping GRIT between the tank bag
and the tank..... it will trash the tank in no time.



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As I've said, I'm all about riding it instead of cleaning it, that being said, I'm not abusive to the finish. When I put the bag on, it was immediately after a fresh coat of wax, so that might not have helped things but there was no grit on the tank. As far as scratches, I keep it clean to the touch before putting the bag on it, I'm not looking for a show bike finish but was not expecting these spots. I'll try putting it out in the sun this week but I'm not expecting a miracle, I will reiterate, I'm not harsh on this finish at all which is why I said what I did in the other thread about the OEM finish being stronger.

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Gotta admit, I'm sick of hearing that I fucked up the finish on that bike, I've been good to it and how much damage could I have done in two months???!?



Back to the topic at hand, the fucked up marks, not the clearcoat that I've supposedly scratched.

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On Brians behalf, his idea of riding it dirty is other peoples clean. Even if you didn't like it (Tony, Vcook ) the Speed Four I bought from Brian was very well cared for and clean. His Taurus was also very looked after. Like I had said before, I am very curious what the final outcome of all of this is.
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On Brians behalf, his idea of riding it dirty is other peoples clean. Even if you didn't like it (Tony, Vcook ) the Speed Four I bought from Brian was very well cared for and clean. His Taurus was also very looked after. Like I had said before, I am very curious what the final outcome of all of this is.
ide say for now. do not use a tank bag on my paint jobs.

is my suggestion.



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I wasnt planning using a tank bag on any paint work, oem or otherwise. For those that use them, might painters tape help save the paint?
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Gotta admit, I'm sick of hearing that I fucked up the finish on that bike, I've been good to it and how much damage could I have done in two months???!?



Back to the topic at hand, the fucked up marks, not the clearcoat that I've supposedly scratched.
LOL! No worries Brian, it's your bike tell them all to go to hell if they don't like the way you roll!

But back to the topic at hand..... As I said before, the paint that Ken used on both of our bike is some of the best in the business. As I have said before, this paint is far more flexible than OEM.
That being said, with the strength of the magnets it will leave marks. If you get the kind of tank bag that straps down this problem will go away.

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Gotta admit, I'm sick of hearing that I fucked up the finish on that bike, I've been good to it and how much damage could I have done in two months???!?



Back to the topic at hand, the fucked up marks, not the clearcoat that I've supposedly scratched.

It's just the internet dude, you might need to have a thicker skin.




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From the pictures that almost looks like solvent pop. I would have to see it in person to verify. Its hard to say from a picture though.
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From the pictures that almost looks like solvent pop. I would have to see it in person to verify. Its hard to say from a picture though.
solvent pop happens within hours of a finish product. not after 1 year.

something happened its that simple, and ill try to figure it out.



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It's just the internet dude, you might need to have a thicker skin.
You're right, but this is a unique case, it was a bike that was painted by a member who put a lot of time and hard work into giving it a good coat and the bike was more or less rebuilt from the ground up by another member. Two people put a good amount of time and energy into this project and I don't want to be painted out to be the guy who bought it and takes it all for granted and fucked up their hard work because I do take good care of my stuff and I am careful with the things I own.

I wouldn't be bothered by these comments if I had bought a brand new bike but don't tell me that I fucked the paint up, there are issues with the paint, but none are due to my abuse/neglect of the bike. Besides, the tank has been handled a lot in the last week working on wiring (new headlight), I just did a quick wipe down so you could see the marks.

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smartdrug, i wont make tonight since its gonna rain and i am backed into a corner mad rushing to do 2 bikes in perfect paint job condition.

but i did get some info, from HOK, a local veterian painter, and also a guy that you see on t.v. "i dont have permission to say his name"

1. its possible the clear might be defective "but when i see your bike and get to play with it ill know"

2. HOK says WOW, and no way!!! "and something you dont want to hear"

3. the famous painter and said since he doesnt do sportbikes for a long time, that its no wonder since sportbike guys use there bikes like a truck, and then called me EL CHEAPO for what i do and how much i charge over here "think i might have been offered a job too in the conversation, but i cant move.


so when we can i wanna see and feel and test your tank. if its bad clear, trust me i can get HOK to warranty the paint and clear, and if you wanted me to do it, which is the only way i can get it warrantied ill just charge labor for painting.

so there could be sunshine at the end of your tunnel, IF its a clear coat issue



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That's awesome of you investigating this and offering to take care of it as much as you are, Ken.

If I cared much about the SV, I'd have you painting mine!

But then again, I always use tank bags...I'm sure I'd muck up the paint.

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Ken is passionate about his work. We see it as paint, he sees it as his reputation and abilities. Nice to see him going to such lengths to investigate this.
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I hope you get to the bottom of it. I have used magnetic tank bags before and did not get marks like that.

Don't worry about the scratches. I think the flash from your camera just really exaggerated them. I bet if you took a similar picture of other's bikes, the flash would produce a similar photo.

http://www.thetankslapper.biz/newsite/

This guy makes pre-cut clear bra like material to put on your tank. I bought it for my bike. But after installing it (pain) I took it off. You could see panels all over my bike, and I would rather leave it looking clean and just be careful to minimize any scratches.

Kind of like putting seat covers on you brand new car seats. Why save the seats and put up with ugly covers just to save it for the next guy? Use it and enjoy it yourself, let the next guy live with a few character marks

Thumbs up to Ken too for offering to help.
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dude you really screwed up that paint job

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