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HD Fatboy repair questions...

So I bought myself a nice headache earlier tonight.

I grabbed a 1997 HD Fatboy that runs great and is nearly spotless. Engine starts right up and sounds great. Bike handles fine and shifts without hesitation. Under load after about 5 minutes of running at normal operating temps, it kicks out a PRECIPITOUS amount of oil, I mean EVERYWHERE. I test rode it with no problems, handed over the check, got about 5 miles from her house and the fucking thing blew up. I have no clue where the oil is coming from, the heads, the tank, the crankcase, all I do know is that there is a TON of it. Heard of this before, any thoughts to the cause? The bike hasn't run much in the past few years but the engine appears to be fine with the exception of the oil issues. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Its a Harley dude. Once they start leaking, its hard to get em to stop lol.

Well first thing I would check is the primary cover.

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LMFAO hd leaking oil what a surprise.

go time traveler style and go back in time, fuck his grandma, then shoot forward in time and then fuck his mom. Then return back to present state and call him a the product of two incest whores and hes your son and show video of you plowing the both members of his family. .
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OK...The joke about it marking its spot is over...Evo's and Twincams don't leak. First thing I would check is all of the oil lines are secure and not split and the crankcase breather. Mine is a '91, so I'm sure there are some differences, but another common HD phenonmenon is if the bike has been sitting unstarted for a long period of time an excess of oil will settle in the lifter area and is too much to return to the oil tank, so it gets blown out the breather. The only difference with my '91 Evo is that it happens right away after the initial start up. I'm betting that what you are experiencing is something along these lines (unless it's an oil line or fitting problem) and not a major problem...Get a service manual for your model and check out its troubleshooting guide.
Remember, unlike most other bikes the HD is a dry sump engine and the primary drive and gearbox hold their own oil supply and each of them...the engine, primary and gearbox have different oil requirements unless you are using HD's own SYN 3 oil.
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stop payment on the check and return it

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OK he is done Everyone resume the funnies

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stop payment on the check and return it
actually that is an awesome idea it is not fair to sell you a crapped up bike that way they call you and negotiate a deal to get it fixed at their expense.

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Don't do that...An 11 year old vehicle is sold "As is" and unless you have it in writing there is no guarantee or warranty from the seller...The law would be entirely on the sellers side and you could be opening up a BIG can of worms for yourself. Including being arrested for theft.
A better course of action would be to call the seller and in a friendly manner relate your story and ask for advice. If you're lucky he may offer to help. BUT remember, he doesn't have to and if he doesn't you have no recourse.
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I still think the problem is minor and can be fixed easily.
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Don't do that...An 11 year old vehicle is sold "As is" and unless you have it in writing there is no guarantee or warranty from the seller...The law would be entirely on the sellers side and you could be opening up a BIG can of worms for yourself. Including being arrested for theft.
A better course of action would be to call the seller and in a friendly manner relate your story and ask for advice. If you're lucky he may offer to help. BUT remember, he doesn't have to and if he doesn't you have no recourse.
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Chances are, since the bike sat for quite a time, the oil in the tank may have settled down into the crankcase. Sometimes the oil gets past the check valve in the pump. Once the engine was started and run a bit this oil would be pumped back into the oil tank although some of it might be blown out the breathers. Check the oil level and fill it if it's low. Clean the bike off thoroughly. Now run the thing and watch the oil light. If the oil light is off the pump should be working. Watch for leaks.
Like both of the guys say it sounds like oil got down in the crankcase, but I've never seen it go down the road and all of a sudden start blowing. That will usually kick oil out from the crank breather right away. On later Evo's like that one I have seen the rocker box cover gaskets leak like crazy.

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I disagree. DON'T add more oil. What you are describing is commonly called "sumping".

If the bike sat for a long time, the oil may have pushed past the oil pump, past the check ball, and into the motor. Someone probably pulled the dipstick, saw that the oil level was low (because it had escaped the tank) THOUGHT it needed more, and overfilled it.

Keep washing/running it. It will stop when the oil level returns to the appropriate quantity. When it stops, change the oil and filter - look at the oil carefully. Does it appear to be broken down? Discolored? Is there a lot of sludge and crap in it? These will provide important clues.

If, after the next oil change (DON'T do it right now), sumping continues to be an issue, you'll need to have the check ball replaced. This is why it is so important to change your oil regularly, to not allow corrosives to develop, pit/destroy the internal components of your engine.

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I disagree. DON'T add more oil. What you are describing is commonly called "sumping".

If the bike sat for a long time, the oil may have pushed past the oil pump, past the check ball, and into the motor. Someone probably pulled the dipstick, saw that the oil level was low (because it had escaped the tank) THOUGHT it needed more, and overfilled it.

Keep washing/running it. It will stop when the oil level returns to the appropriate quantity. When it stops, change the oil and filter - look at the oil carefully. Does it appear to be broken down? Discolored? Is there a lot of sludge and crap in it? These will provide important clues.

If, after the next oil change (DON'T do it right now), sumping continues to be an issue, you'll need to have the check ball replaced. This is why it is so important to change your oil regularly, to not allow corrosives to develop, pit/destroy the internal components of your engine.
The oil light comes on, hence the reason why we knew it was low.

So you recommend running it until there is no oil left???
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I agree with Kim, I think the bike has been overfilled with oil. This happened to my friends old Buell, it took a while but eventually it was as iff the engine exploded, oil was everywhere. We reset the oil level and cleaned it up, everything was fine after that.

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Good call Kim, I never thought of the possibility that the engine could be wet sumping...and me being a "Brit" bike guy!
This too is pretty easy to correct...just follow the advice given.

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The oil light comes on, hence the reason why we knew it was low.

So you recommend running it until there is no oil left???
I recommend washing the bike, inspecting it for the obvious (damaged/disconnected oil line) and then letting it get up to temp and see what happens.

You say the "oil light comes on"... at what point did the oil light come on - and how long did it STAY on, before you added more oil? Did you check the oil level before you started the bike? Was the engine hot, or cold?

The reason I didn't suggest immediately changing the oil/filter? Because you want to make sure it's all where it's supposed to be (back in the tank) before you drain it, so that as much of it will be drained as possible - thereby allowing you to refill it with the correct amount of oil.

If you continue to have issues after that... then you will have to dig a little deeper.

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I recommend washing the bike, inspecting it for the obvious (damaged/disconnected oil line) and then letting it get up to temp and see what happens.

You say the "oil light comes on"... at what point did the oil light come on - and how long did it STAY on, before you added more oil? Did you check the oil level before you started the bike? Was the engine hot, or cold?
Good call, the bike was still warm. Damn dry sumps.
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So lets see some pics of the new ride! Welcome to the dark side muahahaha

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Not my bike, sold it for a family friend. Still in my garage though.

So, Kim, clean it, run it, clean it, run it. Change the oil and filter, then see how it is???

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The sumping you speek of is a common issue after sitting and at first start up
It should then quickly subside.
It's more common the trauft in the rocker cover thats designed to hold some oil gets overfilled and can't drain fast enough then blows out into air box and then onto the motor .This trauft I speek of can be made to drain faster and hold alittle more oil.

I believe it's called THE FIX.It's a kit that has gaskets and the parts needed

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The sumping you speek of is a common issue after sitting and at first start up
It should then quickly subside.
It's more common the trauft in the rocker cover thats designed to hold some oil gets overfilled and can't drain fast enough then blows out into air box and then onto the motor .This trauft I speek of can be made to drain faster and hold alittle more oil.

I believe it's called THE FIX.It's a kit that has gaskets and the parts needed
Interesting. This sounds more like the issue we had last night.
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Wow, I wish someone would have texed Brian last night and recommended Resurrection for advice and repairs.
I talked to him this morning, very helpful. I don't want a project though. I really can't believe that an engine designed by harley in 1984 spews oil when it sits for more than a few weeks, my CB550 which hadn't been run in about 7 years started up and ran fine with a carb cleaning and fresh gas. That engine was designed in 1972 and suffers none of the problems that plague even modern HD products.

There are a ton of different speculations as to what may be wrong with the FatBoy, gaskets, troughs, oil pump check ball, etc. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that this would be a 3 hour fix or that one thing in particular were responsible for the problems, I'd tackle it, but since it could be any number of things and apparently without running the bike once a week, it will happen repeatedly, I have no more interest in this bike. Got to know when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

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Why do I bother??? Hey Kim, good answer,nice try.
Don't read my response like that, I really sincerely appreciate the input everyone has given here and I don't doubt that you guys/gals know this problem and engine inside and out.

I wanted a bike I could ride and put 1,000 miles on a season, when the girl felt like riding, clearly this isn't the machine for the task. I can buy a substantially cheaper Japanese cruiser that will do what I need it to and I won't have to worry about it at all.

No worries though, it's leaving at 3:30pm this afternoon, one thing I will say for HD, there is a market for them and they sell quick.

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Leaks oil, dealer said it's probably the oil tank.

The bottom line:
It's a nearly brand new FatBoy in impeccable shape for only $8,000. If you're capable of replacing the oil tank, you'll save about $5k over a comparably equipped FatBoy with this few miles. It does run and rides great but the oil issue should be addressed by someone more capable than myself. My ex bought this bike new back in 1998 and I'm not going to deal with it now that we're done. I'm not sure how to fix it myself and have no interest in keeping it.

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Total load of shit but it sells bikes.

I can't easily sell it if I say "I don't know what's wrong with it and should never have paid for it last night".

Say what you will, I need to get out from under it. Turn back the clock 24 hours, I wouldn't have bought it but given the situation, I'm doing what I can with what I have.

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Total load of shit but it sells bikes.

I can't easily sell it if I say "I don't know what's wrong with it and should never have paid for it last night".

Say what you will, I need to get out from under it. Turn back the clock 24 hours, I wouldn't have bought it but given the situation, I'm doing what I can with what I have.
Oh, my bad.

I thought that was the add for the bike before you bought it. It would give you a leg to stand on if you wanted to "return the bike."

Let me know if you want me to remove the post for whatever reason.

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