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What's the Big Difference?

Dont ask why, but I was giving this some thought the other day and I really couldnt find an answer. So, why is prostitution illegal and porn ok? I know it sounds silly at first, but think about it...

Dont porn stars get paid to have sex? There is an exchange of monetary compensation for sexual acts. Also, dont porn stars solicit sex too? If you want to consider them "actors", then they have to go out and find work to pay the bills. You cant really argue that it is due to disease prevention, because 1) enough people sleep around anyway, and 2) I am sure that there would be classy businesses that spring up that would regulate this (massages w/ happy endings). What about deteriorating America's moral fiber? Well, when you find that let me know. You can pay to see a naked woman/man and that made it past America's moral standards.

Let me take a step back. I am necessarily that prostitution is right or wrong. Looking at it conceptually, I really cant see where society makes the distinction between one being legal and one not. So, I opened up the can- what do people have to say?
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Shouldnt I get another man card? I mean technically 1 is legal and the other, well, it technically is not. Conceptually, they are not far off. We all pay for sex in one way or another.
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He's not arguing that watching porn should be illegal, he's saying what's the difference between two people getting paid versus only one person getting paid. ie, "actors" get paid to get it on, and prostitutes get paid to get it on. What's the difference? I dunno my man, but I agree.

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You should be paying a girl FOR HER TIME only... and whatever happens between two consenting adults is their business.
This is a very, dare I say, PC way to handle it. There a lot of truth in the thinking here though.

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He's not arguing that watching porn should be illegal, he's saying what's the difference between two people getting paid versus only one person getting paid. ie, "actors" get paid to get it on, and prostitutes get paid to get it on. What's the difference? I dunno my man, but I agree.

Exactly. If I were to pay a prostitue for sex, it would be illegal. If I pay 2 (+) people for sex, it can be called a pron. On the other side, if I want to have sex and get paid for it, I can be an "actor". In which case, it is legal.

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This is a very, dare I say, PC way to handle it. There a lot of truth in the thinking here though.
This is how they 'get around' the legal part for their websites; with this verbiage...

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Porn falls under 1st amendment stuff. If you paid a prostitute to have sex with you, filmed it, and then sold the films I bet you'd be covered.

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Because if prostitution was legal people would see those businesses and/or streetwalkers and many would take offense, while porn is like a dirty little secret. There is no real logic behind it, it is just people who make the laws and people who have the time and energy to bitch and whine (the people who influence laws) made it that way. Those same people would like to abolish porn too, but it is much more difficult because one cannot directly correlate it with crime or unasthetic neighborhood.

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Another reason prostitution is illegal is the money transfer is not taxed. With porn, it's a business. The employees are paid and taxes should be deducted from their check.

"includes 10 used-car dealers or auto repair shops, 11 liquor stores and bars--two of which advertise lingerie fashion shows and a third billed as a "gentlemen's club"--three cut-rate motels and one trailer park. The squat, brick municipal building is next to a currency exchange and a few steps from an adult video store. The bars open at 10 a.m. and close at 6:30 a.m."

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Porn falls under 1st amendment stuff. If you paid a prostitute to have sex with you, filmed it, and then sold the films I bet you'd be covered.
Ha ha! I like your thought process. Not a bad way to recoop the expense and make a little money process.

As with many things, I imagine it comes down to 1) a politician too affraid to piss off conservative voters, and 2) the government will have a hard time taxing it. This would explain why you can make a porn, because as a filmaker you pay business taxes on it (your income), and the "actors" also pay taxes in the form of a W2 or 1099.

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Legalized sex parlors. That is the answer.
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Legalized sex parlors. That is the answer.
The answer to that is Broadway and Peterson. $125, rove you rong time.

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Another women's issue, prostitution. I do not understand why prostitution is illegal.
Why should prostitution be illegal. Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?
You know, why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away.
I can't follow the logic on that at all. Of all the things you can do to a person, giving someone an orgasm is hardly the worst thing in the world.
In the army they give you a medal for spraying napalm on people.
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Technically when you visit a prost. you are engaging in an illegal activity because YOU are paying for a "service" that is not sanctioned by the government (which was decided upon by society). When you pay for two people to engage in sex and it is not involving you directly , but you are receiving a benefit (ie wacking the willy while you watch) then "technically" it is still prost. However, if you pay two people to engage in sex and you are a licensed production agent and use said productions to generate sales (public viewing) then it falls under freedom of speach.

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Technically when you visit a prost. you are engaging in an illegal activity because YOU are paying for a "service" that is not sanctioned by the government (which was decided upon by society). When you pay for two people to engage in sex and it is not involving you directly , but you are receiving a benefit (ie wacking the willy while you watch) then "technically" it is still prost. However, if you pay two people to engage in sex and you are a licensed production agent and use said productions to generate sales (public viewing) then it falls under freedom of speach.
Well stated. So what about my right to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"
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So couldnt you set up shop and advertise as " Male actors needed, to film erotic movie with young females, $500 dollar examination and administration fee, $100 per hr paid to you" So you show up Pay your $500, get examined by a nurse they fill out release papers, they take your $500 and then pay you back $100 and they get $400 for the 1 hr you work. All you do is fill out a 1099 or whatever private contractors get to fill out taxes. Sounds legal.
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So couldnt you set up shop and advertise as " Male actors needed, to film erotic movie with young females, $500 dollar examination and administration fee, $100 per hr paid to you" So you show up Pay your $500, get examined by a nurse they fill out release papers, they take your $500 and then pay you back $100 and they get $400 for the 1 hr you work. All you do is fill out a 1099 or whatever private contractors get to fill out taxes. Sounds legal.
From my understanding it would have to be filmed and then sold as a product that can be taxed. Not all people would want to be filmed. The real question would be how many of the total number would you need to film to make it legal.
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So couldnt you set up shop and advertise as " Male actors needed, to film erotic movie with young females, $500 dollar examination and administration fee, $100 per hr paid to you" So you show up Pay your $500, get examined by a nurse they fill out release papers, they take your $500 and then pay you back $100 and they get $400 for the 1 hr you work. All you do is fill out a 1099 or whatever private contractors get to fill out taxes. Sounds legal.
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So couldnt you set up shop and advertise as " Male actors needed, to film erotic movie with young females, $500 dollar examination and administration fee, $100 per hr paid to you" So you show up Pay your $500, get examined by a nurse they fill out release papers, they take your $500 and then pay you back $100 and they get $400 for the 1 hr you work. All you do is fill out a 1099 or whatever private contractors get to fill out taxes. Sounds legal.
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Even better...

Plan this big ceremony and a party afterwards, exchange metal on your fingers, order flowers, let your mother plan it... etc. etc...
Now your just gettin crazy!

Really though, I am just poking fun at the whole situation because it seems that there is a fine line between the social acceptance between one and the other.
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Even better...

Plan this big ceremony and a party afterwards, exchange metal on your fingers, order flowers, let your mother plan it... etc. etc...
I've always wondered why marrying for money is ok..
Having sex for free is ok.
but.. defining the terms is wrong...(well unless it's via a prenup.. then it's ok)

Would seem to me the religious types would be more upset about the double sin... ie.. sex for money.. one sin.. sex for money while making a joke of the sanctity of marriage... 2 sin?

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Now your just gettin crazy!

Really though, I am just poking fun at the whole situation because it seems that there is a fine line between the social acceptance between one and the other.
I'm poking fun too.. like this:

Comparing Consulting and Prostitution

* You work very odd hours.
* You are paid a lot of money to keep your client happy.
* You are paid well but your pimp gets most of the money.
* You spend a majority of your time in a hotel room.
* You charge by the hour but your time can be extended.
* You are not proud of what you do.
* Creating fantasies for your clients is rewarded.
* It’s difficult to have a family.
* You have no job satisfaction.
* If a client beats you up, the pimp just sends you to another client.
* You are embarrassed to tell people what you do for a living.
* People ask you, “What do you do?” and you can’t explain it.
* Your client pays for your hotel room plus your hourly rate.
* Your client always wants to know how much you charge and what they get for the money.
* Your pimp drives nice cars like Mercedes or Jaguars.
* You know the pimp is charging more than you are worth but if the client is foolish enough to pay it’s not your problem.
* When you leave to go see a client, you look great, but return looking like hell (compare your appearance on Monday AM to Friday PM).
* You are rated on your “performance” in an excruciating ordeal.
* Even though you might get paid the big bucks, if you are good, and I mean really REALLY good, it’s the client who walks away smiling.
* The client always thinks your “cut” of your billing rate is higher than it actually is, and in turn, expects miracles from you.
* When you deduct your “take” from your billing rate, you constantly wonder if you could get a better deal with another pimp.

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