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Ive lost a couple of screws on the back of my trailer. They are all Torx. I have a T20 which is too small and a T25 which is too big
I cant find anything in between. Is this a custom tool that CargoMate uses? Anyone know where to find something in between?

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Why not replace them with non-goofy Torx sizes, or better yet, socket allens or hex heads?

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I don't think there is a standard size between 20 and 25

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Why not replace them with non-goofy Torx sizes, or better yet, socket allens or hex heads?
sure, great idea
I dont even know what length the screws are or and cant get any out because I dont have the Torx for it.
I know I could use a flathead or something to try..

So here I sit............... pondering

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sure, great idea
I dont even know what length the screws are or and cant get any out because I dont have the Torx for it.
I know I could use a flathead or something to try..

So here I sit............... pondering
Take a dremel with a cut-off wheel, make'em flatheads, then go replace them with non-goofy fasteners.

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There are sizes for both metric and standard torx wrenches FYI
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of all the sets I have, I own nothing between 20 and 25.

the 20 should fit them even if it is a little loose.

are you 100% sure they're torx? (not trying to insult your intelligence, but i've been fooled by a weird looking allen screw before). Because a torx will technically fit an allen, but not the other way around.

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There are sizes for both metric and standard torx wrenches FYI
not true. There is no "inch" and "metric" torx

Torx is T10, T20, T25 etc for both inch and standard. They're interchangable

there isn't any size between T20 and T25. Im not sure what you could have

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count the lobes on the recess. Torx has 6 lobes.

There are some security drives that look like Torx but have 5 lobes

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Maybe now would be a good time to ask, why Torx? Do they have any advantage over allen heads?

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Im not at home but I'll count the lobes in a while

geez I feel so dirty..

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also, it appears as though Im not going to find these screws as a replacement - hell I cant even find the damn tool to get them in or out. Yes, an allen head will probably be happening

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vice grips usually do the trick
I cant grab these heads-theyre tight agaginst the side of trailer and i would end up scratching up the siding

I tried calling cargo mate and all I get is friggin VM all afternoon

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drill em out? I feel the pain, it really sucks when you can't get a freakin screw out.

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it really sucks when you can't get a freakin screw

^^ even worse.....

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Maybe now would be a good time to ask, why Torx? Do they have any advantage over allen heads?
there are really only two drives that need no end-load to drive the screw. Torx and hex recesses, (allen). Not needing end load is a big plus for many assemblies

Torx are a looser fit between the recess and the bit but still work very well. Allen heads are miserable on an assembly line because the bit/recess has less clearance. Automotive picked up on Torx in the '80's and loved them. Just really been trickle down since then. Hex recesses are generally better and are sill used in most areospace and high strength apps

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there are really only two drives that need no end-load to drive the screw. Torx and hex recesses, (allen). Not needing end load is a big plus for many assemblies

Torx are a looser fit between the recess and the bit but still work very well. Allen heads are miserable on an assembly line because the bit/recess has less clearance. Automotive picked up on Torx in the '80's and loved them. Just really been trickle down since then. Hex recesses are generally better and are sill used in most areospace and high strength apps
Ahh, good info.

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there are really only two drives that need no end-load to drive the screw. Torx and hex recesses, (allen). Not needing end load is a big plus for many assemblies

Torx are a looser fit between the recess and the bit but still work very well. Allen heads are miserable on an assembly line because the bit/recess has less clearance. Automotive picked up on Torx in the '80's and loved them. Just really been trickle down since then. Hex recesses are generally better and are sill used in most areospace and high strength apps
It looks like Torx Plus could become the new standard. Check it out: http://textron.com.au/PDFs/TP_tech/TPbrochure.pdf

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Didn't read the rest... but the screws on my trailer look like Torx, but in fact they are Number 2 SQUARE heads.

By the way, I have spare screws like this as well as the head if you need it.

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square heads?? what?

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it looks like theres 8 points on these screws???

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can you take a picture of one that's been cleaned?

There is a triple square which would have 12 points. I'm unsure of an 8 pointed fastener.

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I can try in the am
my point and shoot wouldnt focus but I can try my dslr

Im telling ya it looks like a torx

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I think I have some deck screws that have eight points. I remember thinking they looked like torx but something was off. I'll count them when I get home. If they are what you need you can get that bit by buy a small box of the screw since they come with the bit (assuming they don't sell that bit by itself.

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Trailers and vans use Scrulox fasteners to secure their skins and decks. The eight sided version are called double square. #2 is the common size.

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