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I just heard on the radio that Illinois thinking of adding 80 miles of HOV lanes to the tollways. They can be used by vehicles with multiple passengers and hybrid vehicles.

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great just another reason for them to continually tear up the roads to make travel unbearable
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hm, i remember reading in the AMA magazine that there was a case won in some state because a motorcyclist was ticketed in HOV. (and I then learned that MCs were allowed in them!)

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great just another reason for them to continually tear up the roads to make travel unbearable
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Not to mention, traffic sucks the way it is, always a good idea to block off/clog up another lane.

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great just another reason for them to continually tear up the roads to make travel unbearable
I think they would just add classifications to the existing left lanes during rush hour. 88 is already and has been a mess for a while.




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I think they would just add classifications to the existing left lanes during rush hour. 88 is already and has been a mess for a while.
That would suck. One less lane.

If you are by yourself you can still use the lane for a higher toll fee.

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If you are by yourself you can still use the lane for a higher toll fee.
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I know that in Texas motorcycles are allowed in the carpool lane.

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and hybrid vehicles.
So an Accord Hybrid that gets 30mpg can use the lanes but my civic which gets 35-40 can't? That would be some BS. Can I hook up a 9 volt battery so I can use them?

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there is an article in the sun times about it. it is just another revenue generating idea that will only increase traffic.

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Blagojevich wants to establish 'free-flow' toll lane
TOLLWAYS | Gov wants to set aside ‘free-flow’ lane for those who share rides, drive hybrids — or pay more
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October 15, 2008

BY MARY WISNIEWSKIAND SHAMUS TOOMEY Staff Reporters
Are tollway drivers ready to carpool?

Gov. Blagojevich thinks so.

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Last week Michigan Legislature passed authorization to add high occupancy vehicle - HOV- driving lanes. Gov. Blagojevich is proposing the same for Illinois tollways.
(AP/Sun-Times files)



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Facts about the Illinois Tollway
• It covers 286 miles.
• 3.3 million I-Pass transponders are in use by tollway drivers.
• 80 percent of tolls are paid electronically daily.
• The Tri-State sees nearly half of the tollway system’s 1.4 million cars a day.
Source: The Illinois Tollway
He will announce a plan today to allow people who carpool or drive hybrids to use specially designated express lanes on Illinois tollways.

Under the plan, the Toll Authority will introduce "Green Lanes" into the busiest segments of the tollways. The idea is to reduce congestion and create "free-flow" lanes that would reduce braking and acceleration, thereby cutting emissions.

If approved by the tollway board, the lanes -- to be designated from existing lanes -- could be in place by 2010.

Carpool lanes are in use in more than two dozen urban areas around the country, including New York, Detroit, Miami and Los Angeles, so Illinois is coming late to the game.

"This would be an important tool for congestion relief," said Joseph Schwieterman, DePaul University transportation expert. "It's inexplicable why our region hasn't tried these techniques before."

The lanes are not always popular, though, especially when carved out of existing lanes. In California in the 1970s, angry drivers dumped broken glass and nails onto the Santa Monica Freeway to protest new high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes.

Since then, California politicians have only approved HOV lanes when they add to a highway's capacity, said Martin Wachs, an HOV lane expert and director of the Transportation Space and Technology program at the Rand Corp. think tank.

The HOV lanes have increased carpooling and reduced congestion in Southern California, but one San Francisco-based study found HOV lanes actually made congestion worse in the Bay area.

The Illinois proposal appears to capitalize on a new twist in carpool lanes, high-occupancy toll (HOT) lanes that allow solo drivers to use the lanes -- if they pay more.

In the proposed Green Lanes, solo drivers would be charged a yet-to-be-disclosed premium rate above the existing cost of a toll for the right to use the lane.

But cars with at least two people inside -- as well as buses, hybrids and electric or fuel cell vehicles -- would pay the current I-Pass rate.

Tolls would be deducted electronically from vehicles, although details on how the tollway would differentiate between types of cars or count how many people are inside were not disclosed.

Carpoolers would drive in the left lanes, which would be marked with stripes or diamonds but not walled off from the regular lanes.

Blagojevich spokesman Lucio Guerrero noted there is technology in other states that uses heat sensors to count car occupants.

Also to be announced today are plans for new interchanges, including an interchange between I-294 and I-57 in the south suburbs.

The Green Lanes and interchanges are budgeted at $1.8 billion, to be financed by bonds backed by a toll increase for commercial vehicles in 2015 and new toll rates for single-occupant vehicles in the Green Lanes. Those new rates weren't revealed.

In California, solo drivers pay up to $10 to drive 11 miles in a HOT lane of one L.A.-area freeway. The premium price fluctuates in an attempt to keep the express lanes at optimum traffic levels.

The lanes have been derided by some as "Lexus Lanes," but they help pay for themselves with the higher rates and give drivers an option, albeit a costlier one.

"They have been extremely successful, but it's only been done in relatively few places," said Wachs.

The idea for carpool lanes in the Chicago area has been studied in the past -- and rejected. In 1994, a plan to add HOV lanes to the Stevenson Expy. was killed. Mayor Daley at the time said the state's plan would have diverted money away from city streets.
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So an Accord Hybrid that gets 30mpg can use the lanes but my civic which gets 35-40 can't? That would be some BS. Can I hook up a 9 volt battery so I can use them?
I have read some interesting interpretations on what classifies as a hybrid.
Plug up a solar trickle charger to the battery and now you have "rechargable battery system on-board" making it a hybrid vehicle. Good luck dealing with the Po Po though.

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hm, i remember reading in the AMA magazine that there was a case won in some state because a motorcyclist was ticketed in HOV. (and I then learned that MCs were allowed in them!)
Yes, and that woman spent years in court and thousands of dollars to fight it, only to get another ticket later.

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So an Accord Hybrid that gets 30mpg can use the lanes but my civic which gets 35-40 can't? That would be some BS. Can I hook up a 9 volt battery so I can use them?
Keep it simple - just stick on a hybrid emblem to the back of your car. Do you really think anyone would look under the hood to verify?

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ADDING a lane would be crucial. Just taking a lane away and calling it HOV will not provide any benefits whatsoever.
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Fucking Blagojevich You damn liberal pussies!!! You think he is helping the environment, but all this is is another way to take money out of our pockets.

This is retarded. I will get Hybrid badges on ebay and be done with this tom-fuckery!!

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The Illinois proposal appears to capitalize on a new twist in carpool lanes, high-occupancy toll (HOT) lanes that allow solo drivers to use the lanes -- if they pay more.



fucken GREED, this state SUCKS ASS.

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ADDING a lane would be crucial. Just taking a lane away and calling it HOV will not provide any benefits whatsoever.
but the politicians would get more money. how can a hwy be a hwy when it's always under construction and you are always in a work zone yet no work is being done yet there are cameras now there so you don't speed.... mo money mo money mo money

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but the politicians would get more money. how can a hwy be a hwy when it's always under construction and you are always in a work zone yet no work is being done yet there are cameras now there so you don't speed.... mo money mo money mo money
You're entirely right. You have thought for yourself young one. It's all greed isn't it? There is no problem with Chicago's infrastructure is there?
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[QUOTE=MoTo178;1263693]Fucking Blagojevich You damn liberal pussies!!! You think he is helping the environment, but all this is is another way to take money out of our pockets.

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so true. i had one of the "crazy" professors in college that would say that all of our freedoms one day will be taken away under the cover of helping the enviroment. stuff like this starts to make you think. tracking of cars is the next step so they can tax you on actulally milage driven and your carbon foot print.

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