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Damn, good luck man. Our company stock dropped 51 dollars from 63 high to 12 low and people are shitting in their pants here as well.

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G'luck dude. My corp was a subsidiary of Lehman, so I too was shitting bricks a few weeks back when they went kaput. I got lucky & my corp was picked up as part of the BarClays purchase.
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Good luck fellas, I'm sitting at work, watching the Reuters screen (all red) and the first stock I have on my watchlist is my company stock C...12.35...I wonder how long we can go on!
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National City just acquired by PNC today.. Sounds like it will be fun. GS was exploring strategic alternatives for us. Market opened down 500 today and kicked in a temp halt to trading. Fun times ahead.




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Investment companies. them and their ridiculously large bonus's they were receiving while shorting the telecom markets for years while causing all my friends careers to be ruined. it's about time these firms got bit in the ass for gambling with our lives. Karma is a raging bitch!




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Investment companies. them and their ridiculously large bonus's they were receiving while shorting the telecom markets for years while causing all my friends careers to be ruined. it's about time these firms got bit in the ass for gambling with our lives. Karma is a raging bitch!
The bitch is, those responsible for those practices are not going to be the ones who get it in the nuts...

...but I completely hear ya on the past deeds and the bad impact it had on a lot of people.

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Investment companies. them and their ridiculously large bonus's they were receiving while shorting the telecom markets for years while causing all my friends careers to be ruined. it's about time these firms got bit in the ass for gambling with our lives. Karma is a raging bitch!
But I didn't have anything to do with causing your friends career's to be ruined! (I know, you didn't specifically point at me)

Oh and yeah, the bonus's have been delicious!

But now it looks like I'll be eatin bread and water!!

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But I didn't have anything to do with causing your friends career's to be ruined! (I know, you didn't specifically point at me)

Oh and yeah, the bonus's have been delicious!

But now it looks like I'll be eatin bread and water!!

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Ya I'm not pointing at you, Believe me I know what your feeling right now. I've been there too many times over the last 10 years.

I just really hate the investment world because of the things I have seen them do to other markets. and arch is right and it pisses me off that he is because those are the people I want to see pay the price.




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Ya I'm not pointing at you, Believe me I know what your feeling right now. I've been there too many times over the last 10 years.

I just really hate the investment world because of the things I have seen them do to other markets. and arch is right and it pisses me off that he is because those are the people I want to see pay the price.
Don't you think telecom blew up because the demand was no longer there. It was pumped up by the street but few made money when the Nasdaq was destroyed in 2000.

GS had nothing to do with this. They arranged investment vehicles and M&A. Same thing now, no demand for it and losses tied to their investments.




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Don't you think telecom blew up because the demand was no longer there. It was pumped up by the street but few made money when the Nasdaq was destroyed in 2000.

GS had nothing to do with this. They arranged investment vehicles and M&A. Same thing now, no demand for it and losses tied to their investments.
The pump and dump was an inside job from start to finish.

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I don't buy it. After Y2K, the work dried up. .com's did not survive with incomplete busness models. I remember having several friends that worked for SBC, all they did was run fiber. When that ended, they seemed to get rid of them. If there was revenue in it, there would be jobs. This has less to do with over valuations in Wall Street. High P/E ratios like many of these companies had before ever earning profit. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

People who held on to Google were rewarded, those who held on to others were not. Tech bubble.. housing bubble.. ect. Low interest rates attributed to both of these. Not to mention outsourcing these jobs to India and everywhere else. No tax breaks for outsourcing IMO!

This has little to do with GS. Hedge funds... maybe.. maybe not.




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Bubbles dont happen with out investment firms and traders. they are the root. it just went from one industry to another as greed is good. now it's hitting thier industry and we the people are supposed to bail them out. F that! where was our bailout when the hedge funds and stockmarket was acting like idiots and over pumping shit.




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Bubbles dont happen with out investment firms and traders. they are the root. it just went from one industry to another as greed is good. now it's hitting thier industry and we the people are supposed to bail them out. F that! where was our bailout when the hedge funds and stockmarket was acting like idiots and over pumping shit.
That's the 'inside job' I was talking about...

Private placement money.. clean up the books, work 'deals' and 'alliances' with other startups they've done the same thing with (via BoD seats that become part of the private placement money strings that are attached)... hype them all up and take them all public... Book the profits and move on.. who cares if the business model actually worked or not.

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Bubbles dont happen with out investment firms and traders. they are the root. it just went from one industry to another as greed is good. now it's hitting thier industry and we the people are supposed to bail them out. F that! where was our bailout when the hedge funds and stockmarket was acting like idiots and over pumping shit.
Bail out is not for investment banks. The bail out is not a free cash register of money. It comes with conditions and ownership from the fed. Not a good thing for any bank. The bail out is just so people feel warm and fuzzy about jumping back in to the market. It will delay the inevitable.

Why didn't they bail out when the tech bubble burst? I don't know but it had less of an overall effect on the economy. So if wall street pumped these companies up, there should not of had the capital in the first place. If there was demand, there would be jobs!

Look at Lucent.. I lost my ass on Lucent. What happened with them? Expanding like nuts like the boom is never going to end. Building this huge space near I-88 they lay vacant a year later. Strong companies from that era survived with good business models.

By the way, most Hedge Funds lost their ass over the last year. People are cashing out their funds resulting in the market tanking even more. This is all I have to say, if you don't like traders or wall street, pull your money out of every mutual fund you have. Institutional traders control trillions of dollars and have had a major impact on stock prices as well as commodities.

I think the scams Arch is referring to are a very small part of the problem. Those people should be in jail.




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What makes you say that? I am making more money now than ever, even in this market. And even if I lose my recently acquired job, I still got cash for your bike. I have moved on from cash for your bike to cash for your homes though. I'd love to pickup some more property with my newly earned income. Chance favor's the prepared mind.

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Michael Douglas will reprise his role as Gordon Gekko, depending on whether he likes the script by Allan Loeb. The film will focus on Gekko, recently released from prison, and re-entering a much more chaotic financial world than the one he once oversaw.

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Investment companies. them and their ridiculously large bonus's they were receiving while shorting the telecom markets for years while causing all my friends careers to be ruined. it's about time these firms got bit in the ass for gambling with our lives. Karma is a raging bitch!
When did you become a raging democrat?
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LOL, I will never vote for a democrat. I like my guns, and I like my off road vehicles. But I don't see eye to eye at all with what's going on financially with this country, these bail outs are seriously pissing me off. Screw the bailouts, let this shit crash, the ones playing by the rules and making sound investments, will come out of it but it wont be easy, the ones screwing around with our futures and doing nothing but gambling with the markets will fail, and good riddance. then the markets will come back stronger than ever, we are just prolonging our pain with all these bail outs, and socialist govt intervention.




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LOL, I will never vote for a democrat. I like my guns, and I like my off road vehicles. But I don't see eye to eye at all with what's going on financially with this country, these bail outs are seriously pissing me off.
I am againts them as well but what is done is done. This is just a switch back to more government participation after years and years of deregulation. Heck, we're spending 60 billion a year to babysit Iraq and the economy is in the toliet.




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There is plenty of government regulation in the securities world, its my field of expertise. The problem is it just doent work well as most things controlled by government.

Gov cannot keep up with the financial creativity of the markets. They are too slow to act and too fat to care most of the time.

I agree that we should have let those firms fail but this is not the first nor last time big gov thinks they know what it best for us.
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