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You can run your car, if you wish, on fuel which would cost you about 2.5 cents per litre - or about 10 cents per gallon - and get 5 miles per gallon more than you do now. And there will be much cleaner exhaust - plus a very substantial reduction of carbon dioxide emissions as well, which will be a considerable contribution to the reduction of the greenhouse effect.




I was working in a dump today and they had 3 large exhaust stacks with flames shooting out. Only purpose of the stacks is to burn off the excess methane. I wondered if there was a car that can run off methane, so I searched, and this popped up. Interesting read and PLEASE sign me up for one.

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what i cant believe is that with methane being in such short order, that they are not capping it and processing it for future use...

...plus my gf was with me saying "omg slow down, slow down" and I was thinking "Lose annoying squalk box in passenger seat, afford more mods and have less weight in the car and on the back of the bike"...so i dumped her and I'm single again as usual...HERE KITTY KITTY!!!
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Some Waste Management landfills are using the methane to make power also. But there is a large number of dumps that just burn it off like it is not worth anything.

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Doesn't methane destroy the ozone though?

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Doesn't methane destroy the ozone though?
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just saw something where a dairy farm made power from their cow's shit (methane) and powered the whole operation and sold a lot of power back to the grid. Farmer said it was well worth the added initial expense.

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just saw something where a dairy farm made power from their cow's shit (methane) and powered the whole operation and sold a lot of power back to the grid. Farmer said it was well worth the added initial expense.
Dirty jobs?? I just saw something like that, he had to clean a little bit of cow crap that overflowed from a half a million gallon tank

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Doesn't methane destroy the ozone though?
Actually, the answer to that is yes...when it's allowed to vent into the atmosphere... but NOT when it is burned off or used for fuel!

I'm not that up on all of the details, but if methane could be used for electrical power and/or home heating in modest quantities, it would save alot of petroleum for other uses and cut down on our dependence on foreign oil.
Problem is that the profit to investment ratio is too low to make it worthwhile!
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Actually, the answer to that is yes...when it's allowed to vent into the atmosphere... but NOT when it is burned off or used for fuel!

I'm not that up on all of the details, but if methane could be used for electrical power and/or home heating in modest quantities, it would save alot of petroleum for other uses and cut down on our dependence on foreign oil.
Problem is that the profit to investment ratio is too low to make it worthwhile!
yea...but whats it worth over the actual long haul though?...thats the key word...if say in even 5 years or 10 years it starts making a profit, then i can see that possable use is not really great...but still, if it does reduce even more dependancy on oil , then i say go for it...

over here in the bartlett/hanover park/bloomingdale area there was a landfill tht they used to burn that shit off and stunk up the area just driving through...would have hated to live in the area...its been capped off now so it makes me wonder if they are using it as a fuel now...

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A lot of the airport and city buses (other than Chicago) run on Natural Gas which is a molecule away from methane. Talk to Mayor Daley and tell him to start pumping the methane out of the dump into the public transportation system and into our homes.

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A lot of the airport and city buses (other than Chicago) run on Natural Gas which is a molecule away from methane. Talk to Mayor Daley and tell him to start pumping the methane out of the dump into the public transportation system and into our homes.
Some Chicago city buses ran on propane until about 1972, actually. They scrapped them just in time to get nailed by the first round of gas crises.

Thus, based on history, the CTA won't buy any CNG or LP buses until a month before the methane runs out and diesel hits 28 per gallon.

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I'm not that up on all of the details, but if methane could be used for electrical power and/or home heating in modest quantities, it would save alot of petroleum for other uses and cut down on our dependence on foreign oil.
Problem is that the profit to investment ratio is too low to make it worthwhile!
As a matter of fact, it is used for electricity. Just about all of the power plants built in the last five or ten years are natural gas turbines of one sort or another, and a lot of them have been hooked up to landfill gas. And there's a lot of profit potential in there: the landfill gas is basically free, but the wholesale price of electricity is set by the wholesale price of natural gas during the summer, which is very high. Taxes are reduced, I think, for landfill-to-energy programs. The turbines are relatively cheap, too, so it's a great deal if you have enough gas handy.

The landfill down in Pontiac was a huge power producer for a while. They got busted for cheating, though (they ran in a natural gas line to boost output) so I don't know if they are still as big as they were.

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I thought the concern with fuel options like methane and natural gas is the fear of using combustible gases.

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Some Chicago city buses ran on propane until about 1972, actually. They scrapped them just in time to get nailed by the first round of gas crises.

Thus, based on history, the CTA won't buy any CNG or LP buses until a month before the methane runs out and diesel hits 28 per gallon.
Are you sure you're not confusing the busses that ran off of electricity from overhead lines (Trolley Busses) with propane powered busses? I've lived in the city all of my life...took alot of public transportation, especially in the late '60s /early '70s and I don't remember CTA busses powered by propane. If there were any they were far and few between!

The idea of converting our transportation fleet to natural gas, including methane, is a very good idea, especially in our big cities. It would cut emissions and cut down on petro consumption and it's already proven that it can be done...How do we get it done here? Good question...especially when all of the politicians are being heavily lobbied by the petro companies!
It would be good though, gasoline prices would stabilize and be reasonably cheap in the big picture, and it would be available for recreational purposes...like motorcycling!

EDIT: PS The Trolley Busses disappeared because the CTA didn't pay its electric bill for a LONG time, and finally Commonwealth Edison threatened to cut them off! At least that was the story that went around.

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Are you sure you're not confusing the busses that ran off of electricity from overhead lines (Trolley Busses) with propane powered busses? I've lived in the city all of my life...took alot of public transportation, especially in the late '60s /early '70s and I don't remember CTA busses powered by propane. If there were any they were far and few between!
Not confused. Chicago had both trolley buses and propane buses at one time. See here for example. Both were shut down at about the same time. (Illinois Railway Museum has some trolley buses on display and runs them once in a while, by the way--they have a hellacious acceleration rate for such a large vehicle.)

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No, probably not. I mean, that may have been going on to some degree (CTA was in serious financial trouble until the RTA was formed in 1974) but it's much more likely that CTA just didn't want to pay for maintaining the overhead lines any more.

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Obviously you are correct that the CTA had LPG busses, but it notes in your example that was in the '50's...I was only 8 in 1960, so my recollection of them is nill. However, the style of those busses in your link were the same as the Flxible coaches that ran on dIesel that I do remember well that ran on Addison avenue and Clark street. I also remember the electric busses very well because they ran on Belmont where I went to high school...bet the CTA wish they still had 'em with the skyrocketing cost of diesel today!
Methane and other forms of natural gas really seem like a viable fuel for public transportation...But like I said earlier...as long as our "leaders" keep getting lobbied by those making big bucks elsewhere, it will be a long time coming!
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