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Any one know about inventing/patenting??

I've had an idea for a sweet something, and I'm not sure as to the steps invovled in at least patenting the idea so I could more openly discuss it (hell, maybe build it! ) and not have to worry about the idea being stolen..

Also...how would you go about taking the idea, and turning it into an actual object of use?? are there places to go to try and find $$ to build it? This would require the expertise of metal workers, robotics/computers, to name a few.. Def. not something you'd want built half ass-ed either.

I think i'm going to start drawing up *real* plans tomarrow, and expand on them to make a powerpoint or something to show it off, how it works, what it does, perks, etc..


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If you are serious contact a patent attny. Do not use one of those TV kits. It is expensive.

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what happens if a patent attny steals it?

how much does it usually cost to patent something??

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Be prepared to spend a couple thousand on the patent searches.

You can apply for a "method" patent as well, if that's what you are referring to.
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Be prepared to spend a couple thousand on the patent searches.

You can apply for a "method" patent as well, if that's what you are referring to.
'splain this method patent? (does it require less technical details on how it is built versus the idea and how you would go about building it?)

And by patent searches..you mean that's how much it is just to see if it hasn't already been done before??

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Many systems (mechanical, electrical) can be modeled using computer software. I'm studying electrical engineering, so I have more experience with electrical circuits/systems. In many of the labs for my communication engineering classes, we use a circuit modeling software (PSpice, there are others as well). The software has a bunch of components (resistors, capacitors, voltage/current sources, ICs) and you put the components together however you like. Then you run a simulation and program shows you voltage/current levels wherever you want. Some programs will let you hook up a scope to your virtual circuit and flip switches and stuff. Its useful software because it saves times since you won't have to actually build the circuit and modeling it is MUCH easier than actually building it. This software is also very expensive (think thousands of dollars) but student editions are available for low cost or no cost. PSpice for student is free however I think the license agreement does not allow you to use the software for commercial use.

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what happens if a patent attny steals it?

how much does it usually cost to patent something??
He gets disbarred.

To start you may want this.


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He gets disbarred.

To start you may want this.

Is there anything that isn't sold as 'for dummies'???

cool though, thanks! I'm going to have to pick that up tomarrow

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Is there anything that isn't sold as 'for dummies'???

cool though, thanks! I'm going to have to pick that up tomarrow

If nothing else it will give you the vocabulary you need.

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'splain this method patent? (does it require less technical details on how it is built versus the idea and how you would go about building it?)

And by patent searches..you mean that's how much it is just to see if it hasn't already been done before??
A method patent is generally used for people who have a unique way of completing a task, usually in conjunction with a patented device.

Patent searches cost 2-2.5k from my experience.
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I heard you can send yourself a certified letter with your idea in it and not open it and if it ever comes up you can use it to verify when you had the idea for the courts. Just what I heard though.
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contact a pattent attorney, theres a good deal of hoops to jump through, i just went thru this a couple months ago for a project im working on
they will want a complete set of 2d drawings, a description of usage, also before you go to the atty, google the hell outta your concept anyway you can think about it. the guy I we went through handled things expediently adn was very helpful in communicating what was needed. PM me for his contact info

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I heard you can send yourself a certified letter with your idea in it and not open it and if it ever comes up you can use it to verify when you had the idea for the courts. Just what I heard though.
Put the stamp over the flap on the back side of the envelope. That way, when the post-office cancels it, it is as good as a wax seal.

You also need to have the contents notarized. Notarize each item. That can be done at a bank for a small fee.

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The important thing is to find a patent attorney familiar with your industry. It will cost approximately $10K to retain a competent patent attorney and get the ball rolling. I just went through this process and have a very good attorney. I would be willing to discuss offline.

Sending yourself a certified letter is more in the copyright category. Artist and musicians do this often with songs or artwork. Not a bad idea but it will not provide near the amount of protection a patent will.
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Well i'm at this stage so far..Dream about what is not, and may never be


Got this book, didn't have the copyrights & patenting one at barnes and noble, but this one looks like it should do, as well as hopefully cover more of what i'm looking to learn about it...


Inventing 'For Dummies'

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I heard you can send yourself a certified letter with your idea in it and not open it and if it ever comes up you can use it to verify when you had the idea for the courts. Just what I heard though.
That's true for a copyright, but I wouldn't want to stake a fortune on this approach for a patent idea.

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It all starts with a dream so you’re on the right track. The book is a good start. Just remember, the road to success is littered with failure. You will learn more from your failures than successes. Failures keep you humble and focused. For your dream to become reality you must never ever give up. Passion is the key ingredient.
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