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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 11-14-2008, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
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Teens drown in Fox River

I guess that would explain the boat and helicopter activity we heard along the river this morning:

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From the details I heard so far, this was a summation result of bad decision after bad decision... any one of which could have stopped the chain of events.

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although I'm not sure how you can drown in the fox river?? I could understand if you end up falling in right by one of the dams(by 31 & algonquin road), that would suck. Otherwise, can't you pretty much see the other side pretty easily, and swim for shore??

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although I'm not sure how you can drown in the fox river?? I could understand if you end up falling in right by one of the dams(by 31 & algonquin road), that would suck. Otherwise, can't you pretty much see the other side pretty easily, and swim for shore??
cold water (sucking body heat right out of you), wet (now heavy) clothes... fatigue.. no life vests... the list goes on.

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cold water (sucking body heat right out of you), wet (now heavy) clothes... fatigue.. no life vests... the list goes on.
I suppose that'd be true (especially the cold water part)

I guess falling in at 1 am would do it too..

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I suppose that'd be true (especially the cold water part)

I guess falling in at 1 am would do it too..
When the )#$&*( hits the fan, darkness can also be very disorienting when trying to find one's way to shore... but that cold water's a killer. Every second longer in it brings down your chances of survival.

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Paddle boats FTL

Those things suck, esp. if you've got 2 bigger guys in one, you're probably pretty close to nose-diving in the first place

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Easy to drown in cold water if you are fully dressed.


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The Fox is so dammed up that it's barely a puddle in some parts. There were some summers where it barely got past your ankles by the South Elgin dam.

But yeah, cold water will do it.
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RIP. Very sad. Those boys and they families will be in my prayers.
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do not underestimate the power of the current even in a slow moving river, add to that low temps, darkness, heavy and likely baggy(see water parachute)clothing, as well as the likelyhood that they were not excellent swimmers/in good physical conditioning.

Ive been in a fight the current situation let me tell you it wears you down very quickly,, and unfortunately the first instinct is to try to swim back to the boat rather than to a shore which may infact be closer and easier to reach
very very sad

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The Fox is so dammed up that it's barely a puddle in some parts. There were some summers where it barely got past your ankles by the South Elgin dam.

But yeah, cold water will do it.
Those dams are drowning machines.

Sucks that those kids died, R.I.P.

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The paddle boats had already been winterized meaning the plugs were pulled out of them
Put in water = take on water

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The paddle boats had already been winterized meaning the plugs were pulled out of them
Put in water = take on water
What's the downside of leaving the plugs in them?

It's obvious many things went wrong, but this one thing seems to be one tiny thing that could have possibly prevented a bunch of bad choices from becoming fatal.

I pose the question because I honestly don't know what 'bad' things happens to the boats if the plugs are left in for the winter.

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What's the downside of leaving the plugs in them?

It's obvious many things went wrong, but this one thing seems to be one tiny thing that could have possibly prevented a bunch of bad choices from becoming fatal.

I pose the question because I honestly don't know what 'bad' things happens to the boats if the plugs are left in for the winter.
Fills with rainwater + freezing temps = cracked hull?
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Fills with rainwater + freezing temps = cracked hull?
Store upside down.

Obviously the first answer is Don't steal crap and take it for a joy ride.. but assuming people will do dumb things... how to prevent future things from happening...

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Store upside down.

Obviously the first answer is Don't steal crap and take it for a joy ride.. but assuming people will do dumb things... how to prevent future things from happening...
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What's the downside of leaving the plugs in them?

It's obvious many things went wrong, but this one thing seems to be one tiny thing that could have possibly prevented a bunch of bad choices from becoming fatal.

I pose the question because I honestly don't know what 'bad' things happens to the boats if the plugs are left in for the winter.
I don't understand that either.....The paddle boat we've got at our family's cabin has the plugs out, but they're gone for good now, not much use in 'winterizing' it that way if you lose the plugs

Otherwise, I'd just assume it's done to keep the rubber from cracking over the winter so you don't have to worry about it leaking when using again

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Kids prolly didn't know how to swim. They essentially stole the boats and they did that without the consent of the boat owners or their chaparones.

I'm not saying they deserved what they got but they didn't do themselves any favors.

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Kids prolly didn't know how to swim. They essentially stole the boats and they did that without the consent of the boat owners or their chaparones.

I'm not saying they deserved what they got but they didn't do themselves any favors.

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Well I'll be the first one on here that gives them the darwin award. They took the boats with out permission, then they did not have life vest. when they put the boat in the water, I'm sure the boats had to fill up with water before they went to far from shore. All around stupidness on there part and I'm glad they are not reproducing.

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Any way you spin this, it was a tragedy. These young men acted with a total lack of judgement...and that's part of the problem...We have become so hung up on other things that instilling personal responsibility and judgement in young people is not the priority it once was.
Unfortunately, as the events unfolded, that lack of judgement cost 3 lives. The fact is, it was their fault and how the boats were stored or the fact that the plugs were removed, etc. is irrelevent.
In spite of their lack of judgement, their souls and their families are in my thoughts and prayers...Hopefully other young people will learn something about judgement, consequences and responsibility from this tragedy.
But... probably not...the owner(s) of the boats will be sued and a settlement will be made by the insurance company to keep the dollar amount of the loss to a minimum and nothing will be learned except that if you sue you'll get money.
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