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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-14-2008, 08:35 AM Thread Starter
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Towing Co. Damaged My Vehicle

So I got towed by Lincoln Towing last night. Fine, I'll pay the $170.

When I start and inspect the car while still in the lot, I immediately notice the exhaust sounds like a 1989 toyota corolla with a loose header...just a lot of exhaust noise from from the under engine area (2005 Nissan Murano...wife's car). The Check Engine Light is also now on. It sounds like shit...very different than it ever has. I'm thinking they either punctured some part of the exhaust system (near the front) or put so much lifting pressure on it that the header connection was damaged.

My wife had the car fully serviced by the dealership (long story) she bought it from about 2 weeks ago at ~45,000 miles and the car was perfect mechanically. I was parked in a fashion that would require them to fist drag the front of the car out from the side and THEN pick up the front of the car to move it (curbing etc.). The tow driver I was arguing with in the rain confirmed this.

There are also some gouges to the lower front side of the bumper that I believe are new but who knows...can't do much about that anyway. Before leaving I discussed filing a claim and recieved all the paper work to do so.

Thoughts on what was damaged (I'll crawl under their later tonight when I have the chance)?

Experience with filing tow company claims????

When they deny the claim, I should be able to go to small claims court or something along those lines, right?

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My bet is they towed it on a dolly and I bet the center diff for the AWD is fucked now.

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No experience here but I'd take it to a mechanic, preferably a friend, and have them check it out first of all, if you can draw a reasonable conclusion that it was damaged by the tow, bring the evidence to the company (pictures would help) and file a claim.

If they do not respond, tell them that you will get a lawyer and if they still don't respond, a single letter on legal letterhead should clear it up. Worst case scenario, take them to court and sue their ass off for damages, legal costs and whatever punitive damages you can concoct. Ethical, no, but they forced your hand.

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I've never done it but I've heard horror stories about Lincoln and never heard of anyone getting anything out of them.

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Just a guess would be exhaust damage under the engine from the tow-arm.

Might have hosed an O2 sensor or something, that would account for
the exhaust noise and the code.


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my guess on the exhaust is torn flex pipe forward of the O2 sensor. they are relatively easily damaged adn are not menat to ever see any weight put on them, just to absorb vibes/engine movement. the altered gas stream is fooling the o2 sensor adn tripping the CEL

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Thanks everyone - I'm either going to take it back to the Nissan dealership that has done ALL the work on the car to date or to my friend's Dad who is a regular mechanic on the southside...either way I'll have my camera in hand and this will be done tomorrow with a claim filed by certified on Monday.

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my guess on the exhaust is torn flex pipe forward of the O2 sensor. they are relatively easily damaged adn are not menat to ever see any weight put on them, just to absorb vibes/engine movement. the altered gas stream is fooling the o2 sensor adn tripping the CEL
Pretty much my thoughts as well. The wet/dark kept me from looking under their last night but that's the first thing I'll be doing later today. I've replaced/patched exhaust systems before so I've got a good idea of what I'll be looking at.

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My bet is they towed it on a dolly and I bet the center diff for the AWD is fucked now.
Luckily this is a 2WD Murano and the car is driving fine other than the loud exhaust...seems a little down on power but that's probably just in my head.

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the down on power could be explained by the O2 trip, the compupter will revert to a safe base map for fuel delivery rather than an active O2 controlled delivery, youll get worse milage as well

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You be f'd man...good luck, but it's damn near impossible to get anything out of them.

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You be f'd man...good luck, but it's damn near impossible to get anything out of them.
yeah, which is why plan B, depending on what the damage really is, will be to buy the parts and do the work myself....decisions decisions

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the down on power could be explained by the O2 trip, the compupter will revert to a safe base map for fuel delivery rather than an active O2 controlled delivery, youll get worse milage as well


Crushed exhaust also amounts to excessive amount of back pressure to go back to the motor like a clogged up cat converter cause same issue. U have zero chance of ever getting money back from tow company

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You be f'd man...good luck, but it's damn near impossible to get anything out of them.
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yeah, which is why plan B, depending on what the damage really is, will be to buy the parts and do the work myself....decisions decisions
bah, disputing charges.

wouldnt it suck if there lot got firebombed? cant dispute that.





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Lincoln towing is a @#$%ing criminal organization. You'll never see a dime from them unless you squeeze it out of the coin purse between their legs. They damage vehicles on a daily basis, and I'm dumbfounded as to why it's legal for them to do some of the things they do.

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In Chicago, where I live, there's a...there's an outfit that'd tow almost anything off the street. They deal mostly with automobiles and we call them the Lincoln Park Pirates...

The streetlamps are on in Chicago tonight
And lovers a'gazin' at stars
The stores are all closin', and Daley is dozin'
And the fat man is counting the cars
And there's more cars than places to put 'em, he said
But I've got room for them all
So 'round 'em up boys, 'cause I want some more toys
In the lot by the grocery store

To me, way, hey, tow them away
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
So it's way, hey, tow 'em away
We plunder the streets of your town
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy
And no one can make us shut down

We break into cars when we gotta
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To me, way, hey, tow them away
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
And we always collect our fee!
To me, way, hey, tow 'em away
We plunder the streets of your town
Be it Edsel or Chevy, there's no car too heavy
And no one can make us shut down

And when all the cars are collected
And all of their fenders are ruined
Then I'll tow every boat in Belmont Harbor
To the Lincoln Park Lagoon
And when I've collected the ransom
And sunk all the ones that won't yield
I'll tow all the planes that are blocking the runways
At Midway, O'Hare, and Meigs Field

To me, way, hey, tow them away
The Lincoln Park Pirates are we
From Wilmette to Gary, there's nothin' so hairy
We always collect our fee!
To me, way, hey, tow 'em away
Now citizens, gather around
And I think it's enough, and let's call his bluff
Let's tow the bum out of town!
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why not just take it to your insurance company? That is why they are there. You will pay the deductable, but you will get the vehicle repaired by Nissan, meaning the vehicle that you JUST purchased that spent its entire life being maintained by nissan will continue to operate as well as it did when you purchased it.

Car insurance is there to help you. They are a vendor that you picked. It is possible that your rates go up, but that is the cost of life, and the piece of mind that in the end everything will be as you expected it originally.

Don't get all worked up over something, it happened, you pay for insurance to use it for things like this. Why pay for it, if you never use it?

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why not just take it to your insurance company? That is why they are there. You will pay the deductable, but you will get the vehicle repaired by Nissan, meaning the vehicle that you JUST purchased that spent its entire life being maintained by nissan will continue to operate as well as it did when you purchased it.

Car insurance is there to help you. They are a vendor that you picked. It is possible that your rates go up, but that is the cost of life, and the piece of mind that in the end everything will be as you expected it originally.

Don't get all worked up over something, it happened, you pay for insurance to use it for things like this. Why pay for it, if you never use it?
They'll jack up your rates it you use it, that's why. That's how they get ya!
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They'll jack up your rates it you use it, that's why. That's how they get ya!
i guess I would rather pay a few extra dollars to the insurance company, then have to fix my brand new car myself, and have the headache of fighting a corrupt tow truck company in court.

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i guess I would rather pay a few extra dollars to the insurance company, then have to fix my brand new car myself, and have the headache of fighting a corrupt tow truck company in court.
+1. My Subaru's sway bars were broken after being towed. Getting anything out of a towing company is practically impossible without some leverage. They'll request you to get a bunch of estimates and then never call you back. Been there, don't bother. I had my insurance cover all the damages & they went after the dumbass tow company. At a minimum:

1. Go back to the yard and request a damage form-- fill this out and the on-site manager will sign it. The sooner after the tow the better.
2. Contact your insurance. If it can be claimed as "undriveable" (which really is, not *safely* driveable), most insurance companies will waive the deductible.
3. Provide the insurance company with as much information as possible-- the more helpful you are to them the more likely that they'll recover the loss from the tow company.

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It should be a comprehensive claim with insurance. Let them handle it.

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When I start and inspect the car while still in the lot, I immediately notice the exhaust sounds like a 1989 toyota corolla with a loose header...just a lot of exhaust noise from from the under engine area (2005 Nissan Murano...wife's car). The Check Engine Light is also now on. It sounds like shit...very different than it ever has. I'm thinking they either punctured some part of the exhaust system (near the front) or put so much lifting pressure on it that the header connection was damaged.
Uhh . . . is your catalytic converter still there?

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When I was living in DeKalb I stole my can back from a tow company once. The had gotten me before, at the time I was still in the car biz so I was driving demos and sometimes my car would get lent out and I'd take home a car off the used lot. When that happened I would sometimes forget to grab my parking pass. Those fuckers would always nail me. The totally know whose car it is. I was always curt but polite when I would pick it up. I also let them know that I knew that there was no way they didn't know who's car it was and it was bullshit that they kept picking it up. So they keep their cars in this warehouse and one day I show up to get my car and the doors are wide open and the guys busy getting an earful from the humongous loud black woman. Well thank you big lady! I just stroll over and pull out with my car. So the guy calls me on my cell and starts yelling at me that he's calling the police if I don't turn around and pay him. So I ask him how he got my number if he didn't know who's car he was towing and that he was towing it from in front of my building. He calmed down a little and was actually pretty cool when I said that they always got me when I made a mistake and I was simply returning the favor.

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^ Nice. If you don't get that opportunity, I think one of these is the best way to deal with those companies.
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I work for a towing company and although I can't find the actual rule, they had passed a new rule in illinois that tow companies are responsibal for the vehical once they pick it up. Unfortunantley you would have to prove that the car was not damaged prior to the tow or it has to be something blatenly obvious like a busted oil pan or bent contol arms/sway bars. I'll see if I can find it and I 'll edit the post if I do.
I forgot to ask, is your car and all wheel drive or just a front wheel drive? I'ts possibal no matter what drive system you have they got it with the wheel lift. If they did not have it lowered all the way to the ground before backing up to the car it can hit the exhaust and dent it or tear the flex pipes loose. Look for square shaped dents in the pipe where it is broke loose.

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how did this turn out? what was wrong with the car? Did the towing company do anything? What did your insurance company say?

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My car (and 30 others) got towed a while back in Melrose Park (Energy) about 2 years ago, at the end of winter, and let me tell you 150 TOW + 50 cop fine (My buddy paid that after the 1" snowfall on saturday), here in chicago is fine with me. cuz in melrose park, it was towed for 270-280 for 6 hrs and got a 100 dollar fine. When your car gets towed its the worse feeling, cuz you know you will never get the car back the way you left it there.

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^ Nice. If you don't get that opportunity, I think one of these is the best way to deal with those companies.
You are absolutely right. It takes a vicious criminal act against people like these to get them to change, or at least stop and realize that they should not go around screwing everyone just cause chances are that they will get away with it. Wish someone would go and physically hurt a couple of those guys and maybe take a couple of lives.......mmmmmm...I'm currently unemployed and have nothing going for me...mmmmm...makes me think......got plenty of double 00 shells for my shotgun.....maybe take out a couple of those asshole drivers that don't use turn signals because they don't have consideration for other drivers, while I'm at it

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