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HOT (Carpool) Lanes in Illinois

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I wonder if these lanes will be accessible by bikes?

They allow in California.


Tollway OKs high-occupancy toll lanes
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The Illinois tollway board today approved a plan for high-occupancy toll lanes, known as HOT Lanes or Green Lanes.

One lane on each of the four Chicago-area tollways will now be reserved for ride-sharers and buses, which would pay the normal toll. Drivers of hybrids and other vehicles deemed "environmentally friendly" could use the lane if they pay an extra charge.

Motorists who drive alone also could use the HOT Lane (for high-occupancy toll) at an even higher toll, depending on congestion.

The plan is to install them on much of the 80 miles of Chicago-area tollways where traffic is heaviest. Conversion will begin in 2010.

Critics of HOT lanes say they cater to wealthy motorists who can afford to use them. They also say the lanes lead to more traffic congestion in non-HOT lanes.

But Tollway Chairman John Mitola said research from other cities that have implemented HOT or green lanes - including Minneapolis and Seattle - has shown they improve overall traffic movement on expressways.

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How do they detemine who's who when paying the toll (carpool, enviro car, or lane jumper)?

If its based on I-Pass registration for a carpool group, what's to say you register, and not ride share?

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This is complete bull$%#@!!! How the @#$! are they going to regulate this? HOw are they going to implement this?!!?!? It sounds like they will have to isolate a lane? So just about the time all this [email protected]#$ construction is done, they are going to come back in and rip s#$t up again to install this retarded idea.

Who in gods name can I punch in the [email protected]#$ing for this?!?!?!?!?!?!!?

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This is going to be a big mess. BIG.

In CA, people were dumping nails in the Green Lanes.

The roads I drive on only have 3 lanes a they are telling me that 1 of those lanes won't be usable! That's nuts.

Add to this the story in the Trib today about the Metra parking waiting list of 9 years and we've got a big problem.

I'm all for a rush hour toll increase but if they do that there has to be an alternative like Metra.

I was also wondering about bikes. Also, I have a Ultra Low Emmision Vehicle but it isn't a Hybrid. The Toll Authority needs to allow more than hybrids in these lanes. Diesels, motorcycles, Low Emission Vehicles etc all should be allowed.

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Fiero does not improve of this.

Lately, ive been taking longer ways to get someplace instead of paying double on the tolls. FAWk them.
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Add to this the story in the Trib today about the Metra parking waiting list of 9 years and we've got a big problem.

where is this?

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where is this?
This was an article about Naperthrill's Train waiting list for a parking spot.

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How do they detemine who's who when paying the toll (carpool, enviro car, or lane jumper)?

If its based on I-Pass registration for a carpool group, what's to say you register, and not ride share?
From what I hear, your transponder has to be "switched on to" the Green Lane mode. I assume that means people will have to get a new transponder with the switch. I also assume there will be a charge.

Then I assume that a big flashing light will signal that you are using the transponder in car pool mode as opposed to standard mode but paying the extra charge. If the signal for car pool mode is triggered they say that police will be "monitoring" those vehicles for compliance.

Compliance I could assume would be photo enforced with additional officers or workers employed at the gate.

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This was an article about Naperthrill's Train waiting list for a parking spot.
Thats what I figured, that stop is hardly the norm though. It's gotta be the worst.

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I can't see how they would enforce the xtra payment. Which I also think is bullshit. And it better be allowed and no extra cost for bikers, like it is in bunch of other states that have HOT.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,7826719.story

One guy in the comments section said he's waited 14 years down in Tinley Park. People were saying that they have their spots put in Trusts and will them to relatives and that they are faught over in divorce courts.

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I was under the impression that its a Federal Law to allow motorcycles in "carpool" lanes.

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In the DC metro area they have HOV lanes that are regulated during rush hours. Non-rush hours it is treated as a normal lane. This is on their narrower highways, and since Chicago's highways all suck and are narrow, I'd imagine they'd have a similar system. And bikes are allowed on most, don't see why they wouldn't include them here. Well, who knows, chicago is a fucked up city.
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I read this in the Chi Tribune when it came out. I am not 100% sure on what it will be like in Chicago, but they interviewed an officer in Minn (where they have HOT lanes) and he is quoted as saying the HOT lanes are for energy efficient vehicles, carpoolers, and motorcycles.
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And bikes are allowed on most, don't see why they wouldn't include them here. Well, who knows, chicago is a fucked up city.

There aren't any tolls in Chicago 'cept4 the Skyway. I think we are talking state govt here. No matter what you think of Chicago the state is FUBARed far beyond that realm.

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According to http://www.mnpass.org/, motorcycles are allowed to use the lanes for free. Single occupancy people can use the lane with the MNPass for a fee that varies depending on time of day and congestion.
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for bikes the CP lane rocks , for cars that cant use it it sucks beyond belief , ive been in cali for 15 yrs and they are usually empty , and rob 1 lane from existing road ,,, and they usually have a wide stripe painted so when you lanesplit you have an extra foot or so ,,, lanesplitting rocks !!!!!
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carpooling is a myth ,, 99% of cars using the lane would have 2 in them regardless ,, like a mom with a tot , or a old toyota pickup with 4 mexies jammed in and a bed full of lawnmowers and leafblowers
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This is going to be a big mess. BIG.

In CA, people were dumping nails in the Green Lanes.

The roads I drive on only have 3 lanes a they are telling me that 1 of those lanes won't be usable! That's nuts.

Add to this the story in the Trib today about the Metra parking waiting list of 9 years and we've got a big problem.

I'm all for a rush hour toll increase but if they do that there has to be an alternative like Metra.

I was also wondering about bikes. Also, I have a Ultra Low Emmision Vehicle but it isn't a Hybrid. The Toll Authority needs to allow more than hybrids in these lanes. Diesels, motorcycles, Low Emission Vehicles etc all should be allowed.

i believe that chevy suburbans are also ultra low emmission vehicle.



now we know what the new extra lane that they are adding on 294 will be used for. i dont see it helping any.

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when is the last time that someone was ticketed for "hanging out" in the left lane despite the law passed years ago that prohibits that unless you're actively passing someone?

How can they possibly regulate who goes in and out of this lane unless it's completely walled off from the rest of the hwy and you have to pay a specific fee to get in it?

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when is the last time that someone was ticketed for "hanging out" in the left lane despite the law passed years ago that prohibits that unless you're actively passing someone?

How can they possibly regulate who goes in and out of this lane unless it's completely walled off from the rest of the hwy and you have to pay a specific fee to get in it?
Sensors at entrances and exits to said lanes with large bumps separating it from the normal lanes. You can still cross over them in an emergency but you will fuck some shit up in the process.
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it's amazing how many new things Blago will do just to make a few extra bucks. But then turn it into something that sounds so positive.

So let me get this right?
* There will be an extra fee to use a lane that we already use?
* Officers will now be able to ticket people at their discretion because of the use?
* If there is a switch to pay for the ipass, that also means that we will have to purchase a new ipass unit?
* So now the left lane law has just shifted over 1 lane so the officer has more reason to pull you over if your slowing down traffic?



But on the good side?

* We lose 1 lane on the expressways that are already crammed.
* ....The fine state troopers now have another reason to pull somebody over. This also means blago should get on the topic of making MORE cutout sections in the expressway for officers to sit.

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F that. Sounds like next year im gonna be just ripping around on my bike and start flipping my plate up as well. Why cant people just leave shit alone untill there is an actual problem.

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