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I recently got a music cd that I did not realize is encoded with BMG's DRM software. When I put the cd in my computer to play it and to encode to mp3 for my music player, I get a pop up demanding that I must install some software which apparently causes security risks. With that splash screen unanswered in the background, I can play the songs, but they sound jumbled. I can encode them to mp3 but then the mp3 will also be jumbled. The moment I decline the BMG splash screen, the computer ejects the cd.

Is there a way around this to get this music from the cd to mp3/flac/WMA lossless? PM if necessary. I searched the internet for a little while last night and all the freeware or pay solutions seem geared to removing drm from Itunes or Napster legally paid for and downloaded music. I dont see anything that helps me with purchased cds or wav files that are unplayable without accepting the software. I tried encoding the jumbled mp3s to the computer, then burning those mp3 files to a blank cd as mp3 and then reading those mp3s on the new burned cd back into the computer. Music is still jumbled. Tried putting physical masking tape on the outer edge of the source cd to "cover" the portion of the cd that brings up the splash screen and drm material. Surpisingly. that did prevent the splash screen from coming up, but the songs were still jumbled if I tried to play them.

Several of the sites claiming to be able to remove DRM from itunes files say this is legal to do as the music files are paid for. I apologize if I am mistaken and this is not an appropriate question and I am just SOL.
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Play the CD in a standard CD player with a digital output. Connect digital audio to your PC's digital sound in. Record as a 44.1KHz 16-bit .wav file. Then either burn "open" cd or rip to MP3 from the .WAV files.

If you don't have a digital out/in on your equipment, use a six-foot or less length quality audio cable. [The longer the cable, the more high-frequency loss.] Watch your record levels on the PC sound recorder so that you don't exceed the input capability (clipping), and you'll have a .wav file that is essentially lossless. Use 44.1KHz 16-bit sampling, as that's how the CD is recorded. Although you cannot 'lock' the sampling clock between the player and recorder with an analog interface, you will still have a fine .WAV file and it will make a great .MP3. The audible losses in playback or rounding errors in the compression to MP3 will far exceed the losses in this dubbing connection.

As long as you are not violating US and International copyright laws, this is perfectly legal.

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Play the CD in a standard CD player with a digital output. Connect digital audio to your PC's digital sound in. Record as a 44.1KHz 16-bit .wav file. Then either burn "open" cd or rip to MP3 from the .WAV files.

If you don't have a digital out/in on your equipment, use a six-foot or less length quality audio cable. [The longer the cable, the more high-frequency loss.] Watch your record levels on the PC sound recorder so that you don't exceed the input capability (clipping), and you'll have a .wav file that is essentially lossless. Use 44.1KHz 16-bit sampling, as that's how the CD is recorded. Although you cannot 'lock' the sampling clock between the player and recorder with an analog interface, you will still have a fine .WAV file and it will make a great .MP3. The audible losses in playback or rounding errors in the compression to MP3 will far exceed the losses in this dubbing connection.

As long as you are not violating US and International copyright laws, this is perfectly legal.

what he is essentially doing is converting to analog to convert back to digital. That is all well and good, but I can't believe there isn't a program out there that has found a way around this.

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what he is essentially doing is converting to analog to convert back to digital. That is all well and good, but I can't believe there isn't a program out there that has found a way around this.
If he has gear with Digital I/O then it's a digital-digital clone, with the CD player acting as the DRM removal device. Otherwise it's DAD (digital-analog-digital) copy. Either way, the CD player is acting as the DRM removal device.

There are probably some stuff out there on those sites that deal in warez that will do this digitally, but the quality of a digital clone can't be exceeded, and who other than the programmer knows what else the warez are doing beyond what is advertised?

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My first thought would be to avoid BMG crap all together.

When I get home I'll see if I can find a BMG breaker of some sort.

EDIT: I think I remember something....try pushing the SHIFT key while closing the CD door, and if I remember correctly, windows bypasses the autoload allowing you to bypass loading that crap.

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Sadly, I do not have any of the equipment you describe. My home audio consists of a boom box, my mp3 player, the speakers in my tv, and the crappy speakers in my laptop.

I tried turning off the "autoload" feature by right clicking on my CD drive in my computer and then selecting "no action" for music cds. But the moment I click on the cd to browse the information contained on it, it spins up and the BMG splash screen appears. I will have to remember to keep Sony BMG off my list, but its hard if they have a cd you want. And it seems silly to me to pay the same price for the songs ala carte (.99/song) to buy a lower quality mp3 file without the drm on it from amazon or somewhere online.

I was surprised too when I did not immediately find a ton of links for such a thing on google. I would have thought this would bother more people. Or everyone just avoids BMG now.
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Unless I am reading that wrong, that is for converting playable but drm encoded Itunes files (regardless of what file type, aac, mp3, wav). I want to convert currently "unplayable" files (on a computer) off a legitimate music CD. That program assumes you already have a perfectly playable file which it digitally converts around to get rid of the DRM. I have completely unplayable music files from this cd on my computer unless I accept the music cd's spy software or whatever it is. If I play a track while just ignoring the splash screen telling me to accept, the music is jumbled in sound. he only way to listen to the cd is with a pure music player, in the car, on home stereo, on boombox, etc. The second I reject the request of the splash screen on my computer, my laptop spits out the cd.
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I've never seen this, but is this the fix:
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html
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i use a program called notecable to convert all my drm stuff.

they also make a product called noteburner.

notecable will convert stuff for you.
noteburner creates a virtual cd and converts it on the fly to your HDD

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I tried turning off the "autoload" feature by right clicking on my CD drive in my computer and then selecting "no action" for music cds. But the moment I click on the cd to browse the information contained on it, it spins up and the BMG splash screen appears. I will have to remember to keep Sony BMG off my list, but its hard if they have a cd you want
That won't turn off Autoload. You need to tell Windows to stop running autorun.inf in order to stop the BMG software from opening when you open the CD. I don't know how to do that, exactly, but if you're technically inclined start here for information on how to stop it, and why it's a good idea to stop Autorun if you use USB drives.

BMG got into a significant amount of trouble over their DRM software, as I recall, and as implied in Blake's link.

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I had something like this once. I have a CD Recorder in my stereo so I copied the new CD to a regular blank CD and put the copied CD in the computer and put it on my MP3 Player at the time.
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That won't turn off Autoload. You need to tell Windows to stop running autorun.inf in order to stop the BMG software from opening when you open the CD. I don't know how to do that, exactly, but if you're technically inclined start here for information on how to stop it, and why it's a good idea to stop Autorun if you use USB drives.

BMG got into a significant amount of trouble over their DRM software, as I recall, and as implied in Blake's link.

Thanks for the info. I read through the link and understand the benefit, but am hesitant to perform those actions as I will admit I am not the most proficient with a computer. I do not want to mess things up worse.

I basically have given up on this cd for the time being. I do not trust that Sony properly removes everything they install the first time around in that link to Sony's website. Thanks everyone for the info though.
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I basically have given up on this cd for the time being. I do not trust that Sony properly removes everything they install the first time around in that link to Sony's website.
I can't blame you for not trusting them on that. It's not like Sony to come back and dump their DRM entirely, even if they used a rootkit to build it out and then got caught in the act and pilloried over it.

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