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Thinking about buying a Wrangler.

I'm thinking about buying a Jeep Wrangler. I'm not sure if I want to get a brand new one or a late model with low miles.

What do you guys think about its reliability?
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I bought mine in 97 and have put 146,000 miles on it. The reliability is ok; there's been a few problems and one recall (exhaust manifold). But when I get a new car it'll be another Wrangler. Get a dual top - the soft tops age faster in the winter and you'll have to replace the plastic windows after about 4 years (cheap if you take it to an auto upholstery place). It's also noisy, but who cares. Use the hard top in the winter. The 4x4 on it has never broken and I use it a lot in the snow and a few times off road. Definitely get the 4.0 and not the 4 cyl. The rear on all of them except the Rubicon are 3.73, the Rubicon has a 4.11.

Biggest problem on mine has been the cooling system. I've replaced the radiator 2x. But the engine is pretty easy to get to.

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I have an 99 Sport....loved it....fiance drives it now. I too recommend the hardtop. Get the tinted rear windows on both.

No real big probs so far....I did get a couple small rust spots on my windshield hinges and mirror mounts, but they replaced those no charge.

You should know by now that this is a fun vehicle....real noisy and bumpy on the highway even with a hardtop. Not exactly practical, but it's a Jeep thing, you won't understand until you get one.

I would get the Rubicon...

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If you get a used one, make sure it is new enough to have coil-overs on the front suspension....WAY better than the old leaf spring style.
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I think Jeep has come a long way with reliability. They used ot be pretty bad, partly becasue they tend ot see so much abuse. I would probably consider one now, but they still don't have the same feel as a CRV or RAV4... but they can tow more and a little more off road capable... and have more unique styling.

I was in a Jeep Liberty the other day, it was nice, but I stll think the ride quality was low and the engine was a little buzzy. Substandard IMO for a $30,000 machine when fully loaded.
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I'm thinking about a brand new Rubicon (love those wheels too) or a used (99 & up) Sport with both the hard and soft tops. I'm going to look at some used ones this weekend.
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Cherry....we are talking Wranglers here....not Liberty nor Cherokee crap.

The Wrangler is one of the most capable off-road vehicles out there....defintely the most off road capable within its class and price range.

CRV and RAV are car-based SUVs.....few vehicles can claim to have surviced the Rubicon trail...Wranglers definitely can. You aren't comparing apples to apples.

Next you'll be complaining 4-wheel drive vehicles should pay a greater toll.



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You will find that used Wranglers hold their value very well....

I would do a zero finance deal on a new Rubicon if you can.....
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I made a post over at SBN about my thoughts on wranglers, let me see if I can find it.
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I know that the wrangler has more off road capability.... but something like 5% of owners need that.... my comparison was for Jeep/Chrysler quality in general. They are still substandard to the foreign competition....other than pure off road performance. In that category, Wrangler has few if any rivals.

The other day I was in a Chevy Blazer. Unless you need to tow 5000lbs.... my cheap litle Corolla offers more legroom, nearly equal cargo space and has a smoother ride... less jiggly ride.


It's good ot consider what you user requirements are before you pick a vehicle and decide what is most important. If your just buying a car for style and not performance/value..... then just pick the first one that looks cool.... you're throwing your moeny away anyhow so why shop around.... otherwise, do you homework

TaxMan seems like a sharp guy.... and he's looking for useful feedback.


Best thing for quality sureveys is too get reprints of the consumers reports ratings from the year your buying. The Wrangeer traditionally has scored at the bottom, but I haven't looked at those in a few years. IT used to fight the neon and old suburban for king of the bottom feeders
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for 1 ground clearance, your lil ass car wont handle nor is capabile of going over or at speeds going over some holes and bumps...so STOP talking about cars, or car based platforms.


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I might be selling mine if you're interested. 1998 Wrangler -
I have AC and a hardtop that has some damage do to falling off the jeep. If you want more specs on it let me know.

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His promary question was reliability.... I tried ot offer some background.... other models in the line up...and alternatives depending on his needs.
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We have a 99 Wrangler Sport, which I gave to the oldest boy. The vehicle is built like a tank. It's reliable as all hell. Easy to work on, aftermarket parts a-plenty. The straight 6 will go forever, with standard maintenance. Last Labor Day Weekend I was involved in a collision with an Excursion that blew the light at Barrington/Rt 59 and Hillside, because I saw him blowing the light out of the corner of my eye, I managed not to t-bone him, fully. Damaged to the Jeep was $1800, damage to Excursion, almost $9000.

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Thanks!! I looked at the reliability ratings and the Jeeps have come a long way. The ratings are pretty decent for the newer models.

OldSkoolMc: Can you please give me more info about your Jeep? (mileage, off-road use, any problems, price). Your ride looks nice.

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one of my ex girlfriends had a '98 Sahara. that thing was so awesome....and so much fun. i would def. recommend that you get the 4.0 v6. that thing can haul ass pretty quickly. i raced a base model 3000 GT with it and won.
the only thing that i would be concerned about for you is that if you plan on living in the city and parking it on the street. the insurance on it will be very high because the jeep stays open all the time. the zippers for the soft top are on the outside and that makes it very easy to break into. you will never want to keep anything of value in it and you probably won't want to upgrade the speakers or the head unit.
another perk to driving a jeep is that all jeep drivers wave to each other

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Leg Room.........(Fr/Rr) 44.6/37.1..............41.3/35.4
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Hip Room..........(Fr/Rr) 55.5/58.1..............51.9/46.2
Length................191.8....................... ........178.3
Width..................74.6....................... ..........66.9
Height.................74.5....................... ..........58.5
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another perk to driving a jeep is that all jeep drivers wave to each other
Yeah, both vehicles I own, the Jeep and the bike, elicit waves from others driving the same. I have no "wave-free" vehicles.

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I used to have a 78 Renegade, fun, fun, fun. I also recommend both tops, hard for the winter, and soft for the summer. Nothing beats driving with the top and doors removed.
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Fellow Jeep owners wave to each other more religiously than any other group....there are so many Jeeps out there it gets to be a habit. I find myself waving at Jeeps no matter what I'm driving now
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Here's my blurb from SBN. Kinda harsh now that I've reread it, but I'll stand by it. My friends had them, except they actually used them for what they were made for and it was a lot of fun.

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It's loud inside, the engine is loud, it's unrefined, it's cramped. I have no idea why you'd buy one just to drive around everyday.

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Yeah, I sorta agree. Its a good second vehicle. You still need a nice car for formal nights, my high school sweety ripped her prom dress getting in. The new ones are a lot more refined, the seats are waaaay more comfortable and if you need to you can always remove the back seat for more space. I thought of buying one the last time I was car shopping, but the price for a new one well equipped changed my mind. I ended up with a 95 2door tahoe, LT.

I have bad luck with new cars, I share my car with the wife and I knew that everytime she put a scratch on the new car I would flip, so instead bought a used truck and just shrug and forget it when she describes the new decals.

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Here's my blurb from SBN. Kinda harsh now that I've reread it, but I'll stand by it. My friends had them, except they actually used them for what they were made for and it was a lot of fun.



It's loud inside, the engine is loud, it's unrefined, it's cramped. I have no idea why you'd buy one just to drive around everyday.

Wow, you managed to summarize what I was trying to convey about the Jeep and most SUV type vehicles in general.
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I've had mine for 6 years and it's treated me well. It's loud and obnoxious, but I just luagh when people wonder why I'd want to drive it.

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My wife has an 01 Sport. No reliability problems at all. The 4.0 motor is industrtable. I have had two cherokee's with the 4.0 that each rang up over 180,000 mi and both are around town and still running. Excellent choice.

Last but not least: Even though I'm married, they are the perfect vehicle for picking up women. I alway get waves and am asked for rides.

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Last but not least: Even though I'm married, they are the perfect vehicle for picking up women. I alway get waves and am asked for rides.
If you weren't into offroading this is the ONLY possible reason I could come up with to buy a Wrangler.
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See I could come up with a lot more than that. Mine is great in the snow and I don't worry at all when it's 10 below and 12 inches of white stuff on the ground. The turning radius is equal to a small import. It's small size makes it a great vehicle for driving/parking in busy locations - park it on the grass/incline/dirt hill. The top and doors come off and make it an awesome convertible.

Yeah, and it picks up chicks.

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