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anyone know about powered paragliding??

Thinking this would be the cheapest way to start flying around...does anyone know anything about it? I've been looking on google, so far haven't found anywhere to buy the equipment, so have no idea of the costs. From what i've seen so far, looks like ~3000 to get started, not a bad price IMO

couple of sites i've found with info:
US Powered Paragliding Association
Illinois Powered Paragliding Association


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I thought this was the cheapest of ways to fly? I need a fix!

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I've looked into it before, you'll need to start by learning how to hangglide. Even a used hangglider will put you back $2k or so, so get the $3k figure out of your head. The cheapest you'll be able to get the equipment for is about $15k plus the cost of lessons, you're looking at $25k to do it right. Then you need a large open area with class E airspace, only problem at that point is that there's not a whole hell of a lot to see out in the middle of nowhere. I'd like to get into it, but until I'm making 7 figures, I'll stick to wheelies and rolling sweepers.

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Go to Huntley and learn to fly real gliders.

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Bored so was talking to an instructor/dealer around here..

looks like I could get into it for right around 8-9k...ouch! Still would be cool to do, may do it...then again may not.

Still a cheap alternative to getting my pilot's licenses' for right now..

I guess the wing doubles as using a motor, and also the ability to paraglide..sail? whichever is the one if you're around cliffs to gain altitude. So, for around 10k, i'd be able to get the more advanced wing, motor, harness and all that stuff with training, cruises around 30 mph, and can get up to 45ish. Motor would hold about 3gal of fuel for 3 hours of flight.


I think it'd be worth it if I had the $$ to spare, keep the old bike instead of buying a new one, and have a glider. Unless I'm able to get a nice load of $$ by summer, I doubt i'll be doing it this year.


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I'm assuming real glider is ......

a glider which gets towed by another plane into the air..... and you get to glide in the air aslong as your good at keeping the plane in the air. thermal updrafts

seen people flying them at clow(sp) airport. I could have solo a glider but chose powered flight FTW
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duh...should've thought of that.

meh, i'd go for a ultrilight over that personally.

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There is a place in Argos, IN that makes them and I think you can get flights too.
I think the wifey knew the owner. I will check with her and post back when I find out.

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yeah, ultralight is faster, also consider sport aircraft or whatever and requires certificate of airworthiness and letters on it. Downside is it costs more for both the equipment and to get the license, upside is you are allowed to fly over 'congested areas', which you can't do with para-motoring.

I personally want one of those ultra-light heli's, but i'm not sure I'd trust a heli not built by a reputable company. Anything goes wrong, you can't just coast a landing!

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I'll probably just stick to saving to do lessons for my private pilot for right now. No 10k up front cost, just 100 or so for an hour with the instructor. Lots of fun, i've missed not being able to do it lately

not to mention for 2x as much, you can get an older 60's-70's era 152 and fly pretty much where ever you'd like

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Do a little reading on "Auto- Rotation", cool shite right there.


As far as the C152, I'd avoid it right now. In order to do that right, it's going to cost you WAY more than I think you're expecting here. I'm talking tens of thousands of dollars per season to do it right and safely. Ask Geo how much $$ he was making working as an Airframe mechanic, nothing about this hobby is cheap. If you really want to fly and want to do it right, go to school for it or let the military pay for the cost of training you and aircraft upkeep.

If you want an idea of the costs of small aircraft maintenance look up the following:

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This is one of those hobbies where if you have to ask how much it costs, you really can't afford it. It's a hell of a lot of fun and very rewarding but it is very dangerous as well, if you try to take the cheap route, you'll end up paying the price.

Give this a quick once over, it's the FAA incident reports for the last 10 days, gives you a good idea of how often shit goes wrong with small aircraft. It's 3:40 on Jan 23rd and there have already been 4 incidents involving Cessnas, 2 involving Pipers (another sport aircraft) and a total of 8 and it's not even dusk yet. January 21st had a total of 33 Incidents!! Be careful Steve, do this right.

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ummmm

i've got some lint, a yoyo, and a taken apart ninja




That looks like fun, is it more show, or more of a stunt kind of plane??

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i've got some lint, a yoyo, and a taken apart ninja




That looks like fun, is it more show, or more of a stunt kind of plane??
What kind of yoyo? It's fully aerobatic. Capable of +10 -10 g's. It also has a smoke system for airshows. 200 hp fuel injected Lycoming O-360, solid crank with a constant speed prop. Aeleron spades. Air Wolf oil filter, Ney nozzles to provide extra oil on the cam.

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holy crap-ola that's a lot of g's...sounds as much/more fun than a fighter jet anyways. I just HAVE to see a pic of your face when pulling 10 g's smooooosh

Aren't the red bull race planes able to get around that high??




duncan mosquito yoyo, needs to be balanced though, got a slight wobble at high rpm's

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damn, i am jealous...still ogling over that thing. I'm not even sure I want to know how much something like that'd set me back.

hey, that means you've got enough hours to be an instructor?...that thing have 2 seats?

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Sometimes you can set your costs down with building your own plane and they are classified as experimental. Or buying a an experimental from someone. But your safety is on the line with them.

I think where slowroll flies, i remember seeing a guy with a kitfox plane. Thing looked awesome.
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yeah, i'd only trust building something myself if A: I was an aerodynamic engineer/mechanical engineer and could design it to take the stresses it needed, and to not fall out of the sky; and B: If i could somehow design my own ejecting seat with parachute in case that happened.

Or if i'm cheap, just learn how to land with a wing missing and not worry about it

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they have a ton of kits to build your own planes which makes them "experimental"

They have some small planes that you use an air cooled vw bug motor. You have to customize the motor for aerial flight.

Theres also places that rent out planes, but I dont know the details about that.


Best place to fly is farm area, if your fawked, you got some guys crop field to land into.
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One of the reasons it's nice to live in the midwest...

just not much to look at!

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theres an instructor I know that has a business at midway airport. Use to take off from midway. You hope the little cessna didn't have to make an emergency landing since theres no place to land besides the city streets.

I think i might save up 50,000 and go to one of those schools to get commercial licensing. Just for the fun of it. would love to fly a cessna citation (lear jets)

I gotta find the dennis the menace cartoon where he builds his own plane.
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damn, i am jealous...still ogling over that thing. I'm not even sure I want to know how much something like that'd set me back.

hey, that means you've got enough hours to be an instructor?...that thing have 2 seats?
55K will put it in your garage. And yes and yes.

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ok.. better late than never....

here is the name of the place:

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Argos, In
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and another:

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theres an instructor I know that has a business at midway airport. Use to take off from midway. You hope the little cessna didn't have to make an emergency landing since theres no place to land besides the city streets.

I think i might save up 50,000 and go to one of those schools to get commercial licensing. Just for the fun of it. would love to fly a cessna citation (lear jets)

I gotta find the dennis the menace cartoon where he builds his own plane.
That would be a waste of 50,000 if all you want to do is fly a citation. Plus coming out of one of those schools with 250 hours of flight time you would have a very difficult time finding anyone that would let you fly a citation. For $1500 I can get you an hour in a KingAir with an all glass cockpit, and an instructor so you can log the time. Also a leajet is way more fun to fly then a Citation. Citations with the exception of the X are painfully slow.

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