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Is it easy to be an accountant? I know how to add and subtract money. Only thing I wouldn't be interested in is doing taxes. Mainly, learning all the loop holes of deduction rules.
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Is it easy to be an accountant? I know how to add and subtract money. Only thing I wouldn't be interested in is doing taxes. Mainly, learning all the loop holes of deduction rules.
taxes are fun, it's some of the other stuff that's tedious or boring.

I have a bachelors degree in it and have done various jobs including being assistant controller for a large company in Southern California, but I like IT much better. Some people really love it some decide it's not for them. I still get occasional cost accounting projects and occasional finacial accounting duties, but for the most part IT is more fun b/c there's always something new to learn.
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Is it easy to be an accountant? I know how to add and subtract money. Only thing I wouldn't be interested in is doing taxes. Mainly, learning all the loop holes of deduction rules.
Maybe you should be a cashier. Wal-Mart might be hiring.

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Im qualified for math and computers plus using a scope . no accounting degree.

Looking for IT jobs right now. I wouldn't mind learning networking, but I would have to learn something new. Ive taken Unix, but I would need to learn more and how to setup big time networks. But sometimes your pounding your head against the table because something doesn't work when your working in IT.

I see more and more IT jobs being web based coding. I hate webpages. I have to look up some of these game companies and I know it would be cool doing that. I took one of the game companies online test for job entry and it was real easy. basic c++ ideas



They got several jobs fixing puters at different locations. But I don't want to be driving site to site. I'll turn into thunderstruck and beat the crap out of some douche that cuts me off.

I always been good in math. And Im just surfing craigslist for jobs and other sites. Love math problems but I guess doing it all day might suck.
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Maybe you should be a cashier. Wal-Mart might be hiring.

that might kick ass. I can work with smiley faces all day long.
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Accounting isn't really doing math problems. And it sucks!
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If you are looking to work for the government.

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family member is in the marines. He said its a good idea for me to join the airforce (which I wanted to do as a kid) and be a coder there.

ill check out that site
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Im qualified for math and computers plus using a scope . no accounting degree.

Looking for IT jobs right now. I wouldn't mind learning networking, but I would have to learn something new. Ive taken Unix, but I would need to learn more and how to setup big time networks. But sometimes your pounding your head against the table because something doesn't work when your working in IT.

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not if you know what you're doing.

I don't think I've ever had a head pounding moment. There's been some creative thinking, but never head pounding. If you're pounding your head you need more education or maybe IT isn't for you. Or you just need to learn some fundamentals, learn how to read and turn to google for specific issues that arrise.
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not if you know what you're doing.

I don't think I've ever had a head pounding moment. There's been some creative thinking, but never head pounding. If you're pounding your head you need more education or maybe IT isn't for you. Or you just need to learn some fundamentals, learn how to read and turn to google for specific issues that arrise.
depends on the language. assembler is a lot of head pounding. Or reverse code engineering. I'm good with logic problems.

trying to figure out why XP crashes is more of a pain then coding. Head pounding was back in the days when it took 3 hours to install windows because it crashed.
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depends on the language. assembler is a lot of head pounding. Or reverse code engineering. I'm good with logic problems.

trying to figure out why XP crashes is more of a pain then coding. Head pounding was back in the days when it took 3 hours to install windows because it crashed.
I suppose, I've never had to learn assembler or punch cards.

I learned programming with 4GL's, html, javascript, VB6, Java and SQL for database management. I still use SQL and SQL reporting services daily. As far as windows, I've had it since it's begining, started with dos when I was 12 on a 386 at home but I was stuck with 286's in hs. The trouble shooting is fun but much rarer than it used to be and I can clean up just about any version of windows with msconfig, regedit, and a few other tweaks I've learned along the way.
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If XP crashes you have a virus or failing hardware, XP doesn't crash.
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Is it easy to be an accountant? I know how to add and subtract money. Only thing I wouldn't be interested in is doing taxes. Mainly, learning all the loop holes of deduction rules.
Fools always thinks other people's jobs must be easy. I agree with the walmart cashier option.

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It was easy to fix everything in dos back in the day. XP has to many restrictions.

assemblers more of a software engineering. Gets you to pure basics and great to code stuff that can be quickly executed. and you use it to hack peoples puters.
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Fools always thinks other people's jobs must be easy. I agree with the walmart cashier option.
not when you go from designing airplanes to delivering car parts for a dealership.


or doing complex mathematical equations that take 6 pages to simple arithmetic equations for a tax form.
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It was easy to fix everything in dos back in the day. XP has to many restrictions.

assemblers more of a software engineering. Gets you to pure basics and great to code stuff that can be quickly executed. and you use it to hack peoples puters.
b/c hacking computers is a good quality high paying job that many companies advertise...

You know, like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills.


I think I'm going to have to join the throng of walmart voters.
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Accounting isn't really doing math problems. And it sucks!
You wan to do math problems, go into engineering. First day of my control systems class and the professor was solving differential equations.

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In motorcycle terms, that's like taking your Ducati to a dealer for service, and they hand you back a 1979 backfiring Honda 400 Hawk.. because after all, a bike is a bike.
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assembler and c++ coders are high paid. Designing and building compilers from scratch for cell phones, hand held devices, gps, etc.... Gaming industry is huge with assembler to create fast video code for graphics and big on C++
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You wan to do math problems, go into engineering. First day of my control systems class and the professor was solving differential equations.
I have all my math and physics done for mechanical engineering. But I would have to start taking the basic engineer classes and work all the way up.


MMracing makes it out that engineering sucks.
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AFAIK, this is a common misconception. A lot of jobs in the gaming industry are not paid all that well, because they are considered "fun jobs", so there are a lot of guys willing to work for relatively little money just to be a part of the scene. Only few people are paid really well. Add typical sweatshop/deathmarch mode of game development and it doesn't look all that shiny anymore. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the famous EA spouse letter: http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html

You can pull much more money as a database designer/architect or data architect. Java/C# (in other words, enterprise/business software) also pay relatively well.

NB: I'm not saying there are no high paying C++/assembler jobs. It's just that there are very few of them and they are hard to find. Plus they typically require a lot of experience, otherwise you are considered a junior and you're paid shit.

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Back to the original question, no accounting isn't just simple math. It's learning all the FASB's, GAAP, tax law, etc. Being able to do T accounts, statements of cash flows, balancesheets, income statements from scratch and understanding all the debits and credits isn't something you just pick up over night. But if you're serious try getting a Bachelors in it. Intermediate accounting is a pita, advanced accounting isn't as bad, cost accounting was hard in college, but much easier in practical applications. Then there's public vs private accounting. Getting your CPA cert isn't easy. If you just want to be a bookkeeper, A/R, A/P clerk, then yeah, just get your associates and do the simple math. You aren't going to find many high paying clerk jobs though.

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AFAIK, this is a common misconception. A lot of jobs in the gaming industry are not paid all that well, because they are considered "fun jobs", so there are a lot of guys willing to work for relatively little money just to be a part of the scene. Only few people are paid really well. Add typical sweatshop/deathmarch mode of game development and it doesn't look all that shiny anymore. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read the famous EA spouse letter: http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html

You can pull much more money as a database designer/architect or data architect. Java/C# (in other words, enterprise/business software) also pay relatively well.

NB: I'm not saying there are no high paying C++/assembler jobs. It's just that there are very few of them and they are hard to find. Plus they typically require a lot of experience, otherwise you are considered a junior and you're paid shit.

read the low paying game programmers b4, and how they dont get any royalties. games go from 100 dollars to 10 dollars. I'm considering it because it is the "fun job"


the 5yr experienced C++ coders getting 120k a year. non gaming applications


databases just seem boring to me.
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read the low paying game programmers b4, and how they dont get any royalties. games go from 100 dollars to 10 dollars. I'm considering it because it is the "fun job"


the 5yr experienced C++ coders getting 120k a year. non gaming applications


databases just seem boring to me.
database management rocks!

but I'm just a nerd.
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read the low paying game programmers b4, and how they dont get any royalties. games go from 100 dollars to 10 dollars. I'm considering it because it is the "fun job"

the 5yr experienced C++ coders getting 120k a year. non gaming applications

databases just seem boring to me.
If you have never worked as a programmer and never experienced the death march mode, you might want to be very careful .

As far as 5yr experienced C++ coders getting 120K/year - some may get it, but having 5 years of experience doesn't guarantee it. I've seen some really good C++ coders that simply could not find a C++ job and converting to Java/C#. It depends on the location/market/lots of other factors.

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looked briefly at the game article. DO NOT WORK AT EA games.
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I knew they got long hours. but reading more of the actual accounts is bad. 60 hour weeks of coding. 2 hours of sleep

maybe I'll be a shell script coder and backup the servers.
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I knew they got long hours. but reading more of the actual accounts is bad. 60 hour weeks of coding. 2 hours of sleep

maybe I'll be a shell script coder and backup the servers.
what industry do you have experience in?

the viability of these skills sounds 10+ years old.
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not when you go from designing airplanes to delivering car parts for a dealership.


or doing complex mathematical equations that take 6 pages to simple arithmetic equations for a tax form.
Where is your degree from and in what?

i did multipage math equations in college too, doesnt mean I can be an accountant. I once changed my own oil, surely I can be a mechanic.

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