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Great, now I hate my HJC AC-12 (and CL-SP)

Stopped by DGY today to take a look at a new helmet, the Scorpion 700 series, and was not impressed enough to replace my HJC helmets with it.

Then I made the mistake to try on an Arai. Wow, I see where the extra 250.00 - 300.00 or so shekels are put into these lids. What a difference compared to what I have now. Much smaller in physical size, weight and fit. The quality of the vents and controls are much superior.

Now I just have to convince my working wife that my unemployed ass needs a new helmet!

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Yeah to bad they offer no more protection, high end helmets that is. The HJC's are just as protective.
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Yeah to bad they offer no more protection, high end helmets that is. The HJC's are just as protective.
wat?
arai shells are much stronger and their vast array of inserts provide a perfect fit coupled with their diffrent shell shapes. a helmet is worthless unless it fits properly. Well,,,, maybe not worthless, you can always strap it to the back of your bike, that looks cool

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I love my HJCs, but I'll be happy when I can afford a quieter and lighter weight helMOT.

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arai shells are much stronger and their vast array of inserts provide a perfect fit coupled with their diffrent shell shapes. a helmet is worthless unless it fits properly.
false....true

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ge...iew/index.html

stronger = worse for head impact energy transfer. Stronger = less deformation = less area of impact = more brain trauma
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after my first helmet, (the $65 ebay special), it met the Snell ratings but felt like shit to wear, but i was poor so i had to make do. When i bought an HJC it felt soo much better, i think its a great helmet.

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arai shells are much stronger and their vast array of inserts provide a perfect fit coupled with their diffrent shell shapes. a helmet is worthless unless it fits properly. Well,,,, maybe not worthless, you can always strap it to the back of your bike, that looks cool
The $500 bucks you spend only gets you fancy graphics and lighter weight. Not better protection

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The $500 bucks you spend only gets you fancy graphics and lighter weight. Not better protection
better fit


like i said a helmet needs to fit properly in order to provide the protection its designed do, it might be a personal prefrence on which helmet fits ones head better, but for me the arai has been the only one that fit comfortably and correctly

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Ah my favorite topic I have crash tested 2 HJC AC line helmets, both worked I wear a Shoei now, Arai, makes a fine helmet, I just am too dumb to figure out the visor changing procedure Wearing even a $65 DOT rated helmet will save your live. Fit is the important issue, reason why Arai is so rated favorably is the wearers have spent the time and money to get one that fits! First time riders, because lack of knowledge, buy what they can afford, and usually end up with an ill fitting helmet, ITS NOT THE HELMET, its their lack of knowledge. The weight difference in most helmets is pretty insignificant, if 6 ounces make that big of a difference, I would hazard to say, you are so out of shape, you should not be on the bike in the first place!

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Any helmet works but not every helmet is comfortable. You pay for what you get.

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Since when do you wear a helm0t?

If you think you noticed a big difference in the fit while standing there, just wait till your actually moving on the bike. HJC has the common problem of shifting and pushing your face if you turn your head on the expressway. With arai or agv that is a thing of the past.

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Since when do you wear a helm0t?

If you think you noticed a big difference in the fit while standing there, just wait till your actually moving on the bike. HJC has the common problem of shifting and pushing your face if you turn your head on the expressway. With arai or agv that is a thing of the past.
Really? I thought all helMOTs did that. I flippen hate when I'm on the highway, and looking over my shoulder feels like I'm pulling a kite attached to my helmet.

That would also make me happy, if a higher end helMOT was just a hint more aerodynamic....which probably explains why the HJCs are so loud now that I think about it.

Either way, I was planning on getting a big white, high end helMOT and doing some custom graphics work to it. Not this year though since my hours are cut back...

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Arai FTW! Much quiter ride, tighter, more comfortable, and at the very least, confidence inspiring.

However, I have considered picking up a HJC for my more casual rides because the face is cut low enough to smoke cigarettes.




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Had an Arai, switched to Shoei, couldn't be happier: better fit, less noise and visor changing takes only few seconds *without* having to go to special Arai Jedi Visor Changing School.

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because the face is cut low enough to smoke cigarettes.
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My 2 cents on this are...I've had just about every type and brand of lid there is. With Arai you do get a few high end luxarys, but in my opinion they are not worth the extra price. What you are mostly paying for is big advertising budgets and reputation gained mostly from paid endorsements and good PR. The same was true of Bell about 20 years ago.
One thing I think ALL motorcycle people have to be educated about is that the industry has oversold Snell standards to us. Snell is state of the art if you're racing in the World of Outlaws or in an Indy car. They were developed with an auto racing environment in mind. Click the link in Ninja 13's post #5 in this thread and learn what really makes a good motorcycle helmet. Then you will be making an informed decision when you purchase a helmet.
That being said...fit is essential but Arai has not cornered the market on fit. You just have to learn what constitutes a good fit and shop accordingly.

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I'm with Rick on this. I've crashed out in HJC and it saved my head no problem. IMO they are not as quiet, but work just fine. There have been several studies that show that the cheaper lids (as long as they fit) are just as good if not better in the crash. The liner does most of the work, not the shell. If you hit anything hard enough to trash even the cheapest Snell or DOT shell the Gs will scramble you brains anyway. I've gone through 6 to 8 brands over the years and truth be told really liked my Arai, but they are just too expensive. I even got "OK" on the Jedi visor thing. I'm currently in a KBC that is light, fits great, pretty quiet and I got it for a song on close out. IMO, the only right answer is always wear a lid. After that, it is budget and personal preference.

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I don't think its a matter of if they work because there is plenty of proof hjc can hold its own (hell anything on your head is better than riding a cheyenne). The extra price is for the matter of comfort. I know once i went to arai/agv there is no way I can go back to hjc. It feels like nothing is holding your head. The biggest thing is turning your head on the expressway. Its great to look behind you and not have your chin strap choking you

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Let me add to my first post:

I have no doubt that my HJC helmets will provide just as much protection (they do fit ok) as a higher end helmet and I am fully aware of the article that Motorcyclist did on helmets. That article STILL stands as the best article yet in an American bike rag....

Anyway, I do feel from just a short time wearing the Arai that the difference in shell size (I wear a large) in comparison from my HJC was readily felt. If I can sense a difference in the showroom the difference on the bike has to be even greater. HJC makes a hell of a good lid, but I have always felt like I was wearing a balloon on my head filled with 100 lbs of air. My first ever helmet was a Kiwi, remember them? That felt even bigger.

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I bought an Arai two years ago and will never go back to an HJC. OK helmet, yes, but not even close to the quality, fit, weight, venting, of my Arai. Nuff said. Why cheap out on a brain bucket?

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I tried on many different helmets before I settled on one, ans when sized properly the HJC AC-12 is what fit best on my head, fitment and comfort is a very very personal thing and what works great of one person may not for another. as long as the helmet fits well, meets necessary specifications and is worn properly it will provide significant protection in the event of a crash. as for one helmet protecting better than another I would venture that they will all protect quite similarly and to a high degree, this is assuming we are not comparing a plastic shelled to a fiber based shell helmet.

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I've worn several Shoeis, a Suomi, Scorpion, and have tried on a couple others. I was resistant for reasons given here to try an Arai, besides the cost. Then one day a guy at a shop handed me one to reluctantly try on. It was like heaven. Instantly comfortable and fit me like a glove, and surprise surprise I even went down a size because it was the correct shape. No more headaches or bruises on my forehead.

I hate that me noggin has expensive taste, but I haven't had a helmet fit me as comfortably *ever*. I just have to be careful and make sure it lasts several years, and I'll balance out with my husband having to buy a new AGV or two every season. Wear what fits you best.

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.......this is assuming we are not comparing a plastic shelled to a fiber based shell helmet......
This is not an issue...the outer shells biggest difference is hardness and the softer ones perform better in a motorcycle accident. There are hard and soft fiber shells and hard and soft plastic shells. It's the inner liner, the styrofoam that counts.
Read the Motorcyclist article and it will enlighten you about the many misconceptions about helmets.

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