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Mich Pilot Power 2 CT question fer yas

Having just a lovely little a convo with Jrock today about the 2 CT as I am due for another new rear shoe on the Duke and the topic of "Center Compound" came up - Do any of you fucks know if the Center on a 2 CT is the same compound as a standard Pilot Power ie just as hard or soft? - A complete understanding of the "edge" compound is had but my curiosities lie around the center compound

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I was recently told the center compound was the same as a regular PP with a softer side.

I thought it was the same outer with a harder center. I have used both and don't think the 2CT's are worth the extra money.

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Based on wear, I would say its the same as the standard Pilot Power. 4500 miles and its about time for a new set. GREAT tires though.
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Having just a lovely little a convo with Jrock today about the 2 CT as I am due for another new rear shoe on the Duke and the topic of "Center Compound" came up - Do any of you fucks know if the Center on a 2 CT is the same compound as a standard Pilot Power ie just as hard or soft? - A complete understanding of the "edge" compound is had but my curiosities lie around the center compound

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The 2CT is a normal pilot power with somewhat softer edges. The center is the same compound as the normal Power.

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IMHO, it would be fine for a rear. I stick with a PP for the front. Personally, I'm sticking with PP for both.
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4500 miles and its about time for a new set.
That is exactly what I got out of mine and MANY of them where rather hard riding too - Not me beating on the bike rather riding with the Viagra still in effect from the night before

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Isn't it great to burn through two sets of tires in one year?
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Isn't it great to burn through two sets of tires in one year?
HAHAHA - Yeah - I put about 7500 miles on that thing in the '08 season and over 80% of them were on some sort of Twistie Route Run - Sure there were the slabs to get to the fun stuff but not a whole lot of "City Putz Arounds" and I leaned more towards the HD for Strats rides - The Pilot Power of the front of the Duke is fine as it came from the set I put on after the Gap and only has about 4500 miles on it - I need to get better at chewing the fronts up

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IMHO, it would be fine for a rear. I stick with a PP for the front. Personally, I'm sticking with PP for both.
Meh. I like a stickier front of I can't have both be sticky.

back end slide at full lean = no big deal. Front end slide at full lean = bit of pucker factor there.

I don't spend much time on the very edge of the tire on the street anyway, so my $.02 is that its nice to have the extra stick there, but not really necessary. I wouldn't feel under-tired with a plain ol' PP, but for a mere $20 more, why not get the 2CT?

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I wouldn't feel under-tired with a plain ol' PP, but for a mere $20 more, why not get the 2CT?
Spot On! - I had the PP's on the last F4T as well as Paul's Ride and Troy's XX run and have nothing but good things to say about that shoe and for a few quid more, why not get extra sticky on zee edges

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How rude of me......sorry!

Thank you everyone for the info - Choo guys is dah neats!

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I dont know if anyone mentioned, but the 2CTs center compound is the same as the regular PP, and the outer edges are around 20% softer than the center.

i got 7 trackdays and 3500 street miles out of a 190/55 on the back of my 1000RR at "I" pace.
the front has 10 trackdays and 5000 miles and still looks good.
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Bridgestone has a dual compound tire - BT021 (suitable for sport tourer's and similar). The issue with their implementation is that the hard compound is only ~2" wide, then the softer compound begins.

In the end, you get strange tire wear in the form of a raised center ridge because the soft compound is wearing at a diff rate than the hard. Easier to show a pic.
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My front does look good after 4500 miles....... but Ive learned my lesson before. I always replace both at the same time.
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Before the 2 CT came out I raced and won on regular pilot powers. They are all good tires but I can't tell the difference between a regular and a 2 ct.

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Advice on the 2ct vs PP is spot on.


I Like the 2CT's myself.



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2ct group buy? The hoops on the 675 are brand new, but I like PP, and I think after reading this I'll give the 2ct a try.
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Bug, Ive ran with both and didn't notice an improvement with the 2CT's. I would personally just rock the PP's. I do want to try DC3's some time too tho, but if your going to stick with a PP on the front just pick up a new matching one for the rear. I would stay away from mix/matching the front and rear.

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They felt the same to me as well, and wore the same. The DC3s were sticky, but wow did I destroy that tire in record time. I had a decent amount of tread on my rear tire before I left for a WI run, half way to WI I saw cords, and had a white ring around the tire babying it back to the city. Moral of the story, PP FTW on the street .

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Having just a lovely little a convo with Jrock today about the 2 CT as I am due for another new rear shoe on the Duke and the topic of "Center Compound" came up - Do any of you fucks know if the Center on a 2 CT is the same compound as a standard Pilot Power ie just as hard or soft? - A complete understanding of the "edge" compound is had but my curiosities lie around the center compound

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Fact: yes the 2ct's have the exact same compound in the center as the regular/standard PP's. The advertising is misleading..they are not any harder, just harder than the edges. The Michelin wording makes you believe the tires are made of 2 different compounds but they are not. The edges are simply cured at a different temperature, leaving them softer. That is all.
The Pilots are performance oriented and not a mileage tire. Michelins have a reputation among immortals of breaking loose unexpectedly.
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Thumbs up for 2CT's

Bug--I have the 2CT's and love them. Ran both flat4Tours on them last year. Can't comment on them in the rain. Try and avoid wet situations.
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Bridgestone has a dual compound tire - BT021 (suitable for sport tourer's and similar). The issue with their implementation is that the hard compound is only ~2" wide, then the softer compound begins.

In the end, you get strange tire wear in the form of a raised center ridge because the soft compound is wearing at a diff rate than the hard. Easier to show a pic.

I am a huge fan of Bridgestones, anyone who was had problems with them are usually running PSIs that are 2 psi under recommended. What are you running? The combo I run on the ST3 for sport touring is a BT014 front with 36 PSI and a BT021 rear with 42 PSI

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+1 on NOT noticing any difference between 2CT and PP on the track.

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Bug--I have the 2CT's and love them. Ran both flat4Tours on them last year. Can't comment on them in the rain. Try and avoid wet situations.


----> Not.....


I run 2CT's for Control Riding on cold and damp days when the Power Race tires turn into bowling balls.


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Here is my buddy Todd at teh track on 2ct's at around 18 seconds of the video he had that bike leaned prety far and they held up great. I havent tried regular PP so I cant compare but love my 2cts

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Eddie you will be fine rockin the regular PP on you Duke. I wouldnt waste the money on anything stickier. I promise you you will not out ride the PP cuz they are very good tires.
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I have 2CT's and I like them. I don't notice a difference between the regular PP's, but as you've seen, I am nowhere near outriding my tires. I got them in anticipation of doing track days this year. And as you said, for an extra 20-40 bux, why not?

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