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I think this list will scare some riders away. If they choose not to come from experience than I can respect that. But not because of some list is a misjustice.

I just led a ride with some noobies. I flat out told them my idea idea of slow could get them killed today. And I stressed like I do every time that "THERE IS NO NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAN IN FRONT OF YOU! I WAIT AT EVERY ROAD CHANGE." Especially in larged group I gaurantee no man left behind.

I have also been known to say I am not your father or your babysitter on these rides. If you can't keep your own abilities in check that is not my fault. On my rides your not stressd to keep up so there is no reason to ride outside your abilites.

Lastly on my rides I make sure no one is riding crazy enough to effect other riders. Stuff like stunting in the group or passing in corners. I have actually got off my bike in the middle of a ride to warn people one last time. After that they would be asked to leave.

I have told many I would rather wait all day on the side of the road for a noobie to catch up than wait so much as 10 minutes in a hospital. As far as I am concerned unles I state "NO NOOBS WELCOME!" than they are more than welcome to come on my group rides. If they can keep their wrist in check I will make sure they never get lost and find their way home.

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I have rode with you on a number of occasions and I don't see anything wrong with your abilities to lead a group. Like you said even newbies can come along since we wait at every turn and even head back to check on people who aren't showing up in a reasonable amount of time. I think the post you are referring to was just poking some fun though.
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I had a great time the other day when you led our group. You did stress to us several times to not try and keep up. You led us to some good roads that I probably wouldn't have found on my own. Now as far as being able to ride side by side with you, that will take a little bit of work, lol. Thanks again!
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Nothing against you bro at all (because i ENJOY riding with you) but you are faster than a newb. I would steer ANY newbie away from riding with you and more so a big old handfull of my friends. with that said....

(clarification) A newb is just that. Inexperienced. You cant just tell a newb to ride your own ride. They cant differentiate riding and lack of experience on just what they can do. Anyone will attempt to push it just to see how good they are (ego) and wind up off roading it with your caliber of aggression in a turn. You like to ride hot and by that you know what i mean.

I have done a few newb rides and everytime i have to check MY level of riding at the door almost to the point of them thinking i am too slow. I try to have them single line follow me in a turn to see my line and follow it KNOWING its NOTHING aggressive. Believe me i know its painful especially when you want to get somewhere but trust me the people i have done this with a few times are now pretty decent riders.

I am not calling you out by no means but just setting a mindset for newbie riders.

And thanks for bringing this to light early in the season. TRUST me when i say i went way over my head quite a few times with Ody, Tony, Rabbit, Brian, and a few others in the beginning. I was just old enough to say Whoa!--(Or it could of been the ass pucker telling me but either way we all learn at a different pace and hopefully not by regrets..


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Its like Joe said, it's more meant to poke fun. It's not some super serial list of newbies to stay away from. It's a nice way of saying your faster than shit
it's cool. I just don't want anyone to shy away what could be a great time for them.

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(clarification) A newb is just that. Inexperienced. You cant just tell a newb to ride your own ride. They cant differentiate riding and lack of experience on just what they can do. Anyone will attempt to push it just to see how good they are (ego) and wind up off roading it with your caliber of aggression in a turn. You like to ride hot and by that you know what i mean.

I have done a few newb rides and everytime i have to check MY level of riding at the door almost to the point of them thinking i am too slow. I try to have them single line follow me in a turn to see my line and follow it KNOWING its NOTHING aggressive. Believe me i know its painful especially when you want to get somewhere but trust me the people i have done this with a few times are now pretty decent riders.


I am not a school or post rides for them to learn. I will be more than happy to discuss riding techniques with a newbie or even take them out for a one on one session at their pace. But I post group rides for the company and to enjoy the ride. The reason we line up with the fast guys first and slow guys last is so everyone can enjoy the ride at their level. Otherwise we would line up with the slow guy first to slow down the group. I want everyone at every level to enjoy the ride. Get to our destination in one piece. And more times than not sit down and break bread with my new found friends.

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I am not a school or post rides for them to learn. I will be more than happy to discuss riding techniques with a newbie or even take them out for a one on one session at their pace. But I post group rides for the company and to enjoy the ride. The reason we line up with the fast guys first and slow guys last is so everyone can enjoy the ride at their level. Otherwise we would line up with the slow guy first to slow down the group. I want everyone at every level to enjoy the ride. Get to our destination in one piece. And more times than not sit down and break bread with my new found friends.
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I think this list will scare some riders away. If they choose not to come from experience than I can respect that. But not because of some list is a misjustice.

I just led a ride with some noobies. I flat out told them my idea idea of slow could get them killed today. And I stressed like I do every time that "THERE IS NO NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAN IN FRONT OF YOU! I WAIT AT EVERY ROAD CHANGE." Especially in larged group I gaurantee no man left behind.

I have also been known to say I am not your father or your babysitter on these rides. If you can't keep your own abilities in check that is not my fault. On my rides your not stressd to keep up so there is no reason to ride outside your abilites.

Lastly on my rides I make sure no one is riding crazy enough to effect other riders. Stuff like stunting in the group or passing in corners. I have actually got off my bike in the middle of a ride to warn people one last time. After that they would be asked to leave.

I have told many I would rather wait all day on the side of the road for a noobie to catch up than wait so much as 10 minutes in a hospital. As far as I am concerned unles I state "NO NOOBS WELCOME!" than they are more than welcome to come on my group rides. If they can keep their wrist in check I will make sure they never get lost and find their way home.

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Nothing against you bro at all (because i ENJOY riding with you) but you are faster than a newb. I would steer ANY newbie away from riding with you and more so a big old handfull of my friends. with that said....

(clarification) A newb is just that. Inexperienced. You cant just tell a newb to ride your own ride. They cant differentiate riding and lack of experience on just what they can do. Anyone will attempt to push it just to see how good they are (ego) and wind up off roading it with your caliber of aggression in a turn. You like to ride hot and by that you know what i mean.

I have done a few newb rides and everytime i have to check MY level of riding at the door almost to the point of them thinking i am too slow. I try to have them single line follow me in a turn to see my line and follow it KNOWING its NOTHING aggressive. Believe me i know its painful especially when you want to get somewhere but trust me the people i have done this with a few times are now pretty decent riders.

I am not calling you out by no means but just setting a mindset for newbie riders.

And thanks for bringing this to light early in the season. TRUST me when i say i went way over my head quite a few times with Ody, Tony, Rabbit, Brian, and a few others in the beginning. I was just old enough to say Whoa!--(Or it could of been the ass pucker telling me but either way we all learn at a different pace and hopefully not by regrets..

I agree man. When I was new a few years ago I didn't know enough for my own damn good. You don't know what too hot is cause you don't know anything about riding, cornering speed, etc. Subconsciously, new folks are going to try to keep up. I think it is better to take your approach Labdog with new riders. Make specific newbie friendly rides where the pace as guarantied to be lowered by a huge degree. If the ride leader says the pace is going to be fast, newer riders should stay away, regardless if the leader is going to stop at sign. I have ridden with Wingit plenty of times any he never leaves anyone , but many newer riders just don't know enough for their own good to not attempt to keep up . People watch a few Hayden/Rossi videos and think it is as easy as apple pie .

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I agree man. When I was new a few years ago I didn't know enough for my own damn good. You don't know what too hot is cause you don't know anything about riding, cornering speed, etc. Subconsciously, new folks are going to try to keep up. I think it is better to take your approach Labdog with new riders. Make specific newbie friendly rides where the pace as guarantied to be lowered by a huge degree. If the ride leader says the pace is going to be fast, newer riders should stay away, regardless if the leader is going to stop at sign. I have ridden with Wingit plenty of times any he never leaves anyone , but many newer riders just don't know enough for their own good to not attempt to keep up . People watch a few Hayden/Rossi videos and think it is as easy as apple pie .
Like I said I am not their father or babysitter. But if they are going to crash because they are not smart enough (which seems to be the concensus) then better they do it in a group rather than being alone.

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Nothing against you bro at all (because i ENJOY riding with you) but you are faster than a newb. I would steer ANY newbie away from riding with you and more so a big old handfull of my friends. with that said....

(clarification) A newb is just that. Inexperienced. You cant just tell a newb to ride your own ride. They cant differentiate riding and lack of experience on just what they can do. Anyone will attempt to push it just to see how good they are (ego) and wind up off roading it with your caliber of aggression in a turn. You like to ride hot and by that you know what i mean.

I have done a few newb rides and everytime i have to check MY level of riding at the door almost to the point of them thinking i am too slow. I try to have them single line follow me in a turn to see my line and follow it KNOWING its NOTHING aggressive. Believe me i know its painful especially when you want to get somewhere but trust me the people i have done this with a few times are now pretty decent riders.

I am not calling you out by no means but just setting a mindset for newbie riders.

And thanks for bringing this to light early in the season. TRUST me when i say i went way over my head quite a few times with Ody, Tony, Rabbit, Brian, and a few others in the beginning. I was just old enough to say Whoa!--(Or it could of been the ass pucker telling me but either way we all learn at a different pace and hopefully not by regrets..



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And i've been on countless rides with Joe (wingit) and he has never left me...even though he's usually waiting for me

And we will always have the problem of people not being able to put their ego in check.......I NEVER want to see anyone get hurt or go down but unfortunately they usually have to learn the hard way.

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And we will always have the problem of people not being able to put their ego in check.......I NEVER want to see anyone get hurt or go down but unfortunately they usually have to learn the hard way.

ALWAYS ride your own ride!!!!
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Like I said I am not their father or babysitter. But if they are going to crash because they are not smart enough (which seems to be the concensus) then better they do it in a group rather than being alone.
If you cant lead a ride that has a pace that everyone can handle then you shouldnt open it up to everyone, do it invite only. I for one along with a lot of others have a big problem with the ride your own ride crap. newbs have no clue what that means, thats why they are newbs, it's our responsibility to bring the newbs into this sport and teach them how to be safe and survive out in the real world. otherwise your just handing a 2 year old a gun and saying dont shoot yourself.




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You had me up to that sentence.
seems clear to me

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post #29 of 50 (permalink) Old 03-09-2009, 10:35 AM
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seems clear to me
I know he is exaggerating to make a point, but that's a bit insulting.

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post #30 of 50 (permalink) Old 03-09-2009, 12:07 PM
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Joe,

I think we forget sometimes how it feels to be a noob. The ride we did on friday worked out. Those guys were very responsible and did a good job staying within their riding abilities. This was not really a group ride. This was me and you showed up for a ride and it wasnt organized well so we decided to go riding out south and anyone could join if they wanted to. The speech you gave before we left could not have been more crystal clear. We all had a great time and everyone rode safely. But there will be cases where some noob will try to keep up. I know...not your fault. But like some people said, lack of experience may be lack of keeping ego in check. I just dusted the cob webs off and tried to remember back when I first started riding on the street. i was young and inexperienced and I can remember trying to keep up with the fast guys and riding way beyond my abilities.

here something to think about though joe. That ride we did on friday. Me and you went pretty crazy at times. At any time did you feel uncomfortable or like you were riding past your ability? not once for me. A noob may feel like that the entire ride.

Im not sure what my point to all this is...I was just remembering back when I first started riding and how I cant believe I made it through alive lol.

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