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Is this racist?

CLSB seems to be a reigning authority on racism..
I read this in the RedEye the other day (the one with Chicago Dogs on the cover)
So I was curious.. Is this racist?
I will hold my comments till some people post theirs..

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Oak Park couple travel far and wide to buy only from black-owned businesses
Ebony Experiment encourages other African-Americans to do the same


By Ted Gregory
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Published March 9 2009

Maggie Anderson drives 14 miles to buy groceries, which might seem curious given that she lives in bustling Oak Park. She and her husband, John, patronize gas stations in Rockford and Phoenix, Ill. They travel 18 miles to a health food store in Chicago's South Shore neighborhood for vitamins, supplements and personal care products.

The reason? They want to solve what they call "the crisis in the black commu- nity." They want to, as they say, "buy black."

The Andersons, African-Americans who rose from humble means, are attempting to spend their money for one year exclusively with black-owned businesses and are encouraging other African-Americans to do the same. It is part experiment, part social activism campaign.

They call it the "Ebony Experiment."

"More than anything, this is a learning thing," said Maggie Anderson, who grew up in the Liberty City neighborhood of Miami and holds a law degree and an MBA from the University of Chicago. "We know it's controversial, and we knew that coming in."

But the Andersons said they also have known that a thriving black economy is fundamental to restoring impoverished African-American and other "underserved" communities, and they have discussed for years trying to find a way to address the problem.

What they came up with is provocative. One anonymous letter mailed to their home accused the Andersons of "unabashed, virulent racism." "Because of you," the writer stated, "we will totally avoid black suppliers. Because of you, we will dodge every which way to avoid hiring black employees."

Apart from that letter, a solid majority of comments they have received have been encouraging, the Andersons said, adding that most people see the endeavor as beneficial to all.

"Supporting your own isn't necessarily exclusive," said John Anderson, a financial adviser who grew up in Detroit and has a Harvard University degree in economics and an MBA from Northwestern University, "and you're not going to convince everybody of that."

The undertaking "is an academic test about how to reinvest in an underserved community" and lessen society's burden, John Anderson said. Focusing the estimated $850 billion annual black buying power on black businesses strengthens those business and creates more businesses, more jobs and stronger families, schools and neighborhoods, the Andersons and other advocates said.

"When a thriving African-American or urban community is realized, certainly as a society as a whole, we all win," John Anderson said.

They are using a public relations firm, have created a slick Web site—ebonyexperiment.com—have been laying the groundwork for nearly two years and have enlisted researchers from Northwestern to detail and extrapolate the impact of their spending.

Still, the first two months posed challenges in finding stores that meet what Maggie Anderson called her "exacting standards." Her latest crisis is finding shoes and clothes for the couple's toddler daughters.

The Andersons buy gasoline cards from black-owned stations in Phoenix and Rockford and use the cards elsewhere. After several weeks of searching, Maggie Anderson found Farmers Best Market, 1424 W. 47th St., Chicago, a black-owned grocery 14 miles from their home, and God First, God Last, God Always Dollar and Up General Store, 2243 E. 71st St., a black-owned general merchandise establishment 18 miles from their house.

They moved their personal accounts to Covenant Bank in Chicago but have been unable to switch their mortgage and student loans to black-owned financial institutions. Their utilities payments will continue going to the companies collecting those now. Maggie Anderson said she has struggled to find financial support for the Ebony Experiment's grander plans, and she lamented the campaign's low national prominence.

Lawrence Hamer, associate professor of marketing at DePaul University, called the Andersons' project "brave and courageous" and said its logic was "exactly right." But it probably will be futile in achieving meaningful impact in the black economy, he said.

"It's just so hard for a small group of individuals to have an impact on something that's so huge," said Hamer, an African-American. "It's almost like a viral marketing campaign. It only works if enough people catch the virus."

Even if they do catch the virus, he said, it is extremely difficult "to get people's attention to change their behavior in any significant way."

Maggie Anderson conceded that "it's still little by little and it's still a lot of work, but I'm still very committed to this."

Although it may be one of the more well-organized and monitored projects of its kind, the Ebony Experiment is not the only buying black venture, said James E. Clingman, a prolific writer on African-American economic empowerment who teaches a class on black entrepreneurship at the University of Cincinnati.

African-Americans have been buying black for more than a century, Clingman said. Booker T. Washington, long an advocate for African-American economic power, was an early proponent, and African-Americans have been forming black-buying cooperatives for decades, Clingman said.

But thriving black businesses began dissolving in the mid-1960s, when African-Americans focused on political power and civil rights and began patronizing white-owned businesses under the misconception that buying white signified blacks' upward socioeconomic mobility, Clingman said.

"Unfortunately, many black people abandoned their own businesses and supported others, thinking that politics was the way out," he said. "Politics still will not get you anywhere unless you have an economic base. Quite frankly, I'd rather have more black businesses than black politicians."

In June, Karriem Beyah opened Farmers Best Market, which he calls "the only African-American grocery store in Illinois that offers a full line of fresh market products." Since being featured on the Ebony Experiment Web site, Beyah said, he has experienced "incremental increases in the customer count" and received numerous e-mails and phone calls of support.

He said he believes in the mission.

"We, as African-Americans, support everyone," he said. "The Ebony Experiment is saying, 'Listen, let's pay attention to us. Let's give some support.'

"The Ebony Experiment can bring awareness, and in that awareness comes better profits and better services and better opportunities. It just grows from there."

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It is racist, and that couple is only promoting racism. But because there is a double standard when it comes to it, nobody will say anything or do anything. Put a white persons name in there and rewrite that article and Jessie Jackass would be all over it. I dont care who sells me my groceries and Im sure as hell not driving 14 miles just to make sure they are the same race.


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Wonder how pissed they'd get if someone put a story about another couple who only shop at white owned stores? Or hispanic owned? Asian owned?
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Yes it's racist but that is their choice just like it woudl be the choice of a white couple to do the same. I like how it shows how hard it is to find black owned companies to patron.

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Yes it's racist but that is their choice just like it woudl be the choice of a white couple to do the same. I like how it shows how hard it is to find black owned companies to patron.
I think that's the point. If a white couple decided to do that wouldn't they immediately be labeled racist? Same concept as B.E.T.. Why can't we have W.E.T.? NAACP? United Negro College Fund? The list goes on and on...

IMHO, this type of thinking promotes racism and divides races even further. These people are obviously well educated and well connected and we need more people like them to lead by example and show that hard work is the key to success, not welfare and government hand outs. I just wish they could check their skin color at the door and find more productive ways to motivate the black community to break the cycle of blame shifting, self full-filling prophecies, and self pity.
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Wonder how pissed they'd get if someone put a story about another couple who only shop at white owned stores? Or hispanic owned? Asian owned?
The funny thing about this is that there is a huge double standard. Of the races mentioned (black, Asian, Hispanic, White), the only one that it would really be seen as racist is if it was white people doing this.

EDIT: Guess this was already mentioned, but it bugs the hell out of me that other races can be racist against whites and it's acceptable where as if I were to do it I would be shunned. Makes no sense to me and double standards bug the hell out of me (women, race, American, whatever). I ran into the same problem when applying for scholarships - lots of money available for women, non whites, non American, but since I'm a white male from the midwest I get screwed out of available money for education.

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It's only racist if whites say something like that. If its anyone else, that is just helping their culture. IMO if you wanna drive to the south side to get stuff then help out the other working people and pick up a rock and a bag of heroin. Lets keep the money in the community.

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I think that's the point. If a white couple decided to do that wouldn't they immediately be labeled racist? Same concept as B.E.T.. Why can't we have W.E.T.? NAACP? United Negro College Fund? The list goes on and on...

IMHO, this type of thinking promotes racism and divides races even further. These people are obviously well educated and well connected and we need more people like them to lead by example and show that hard work is the key to success, not welfare and government hand outs. I just wish they could check their skin color at the door and find more productive ways to motivate the black community to break the cycle of blame shifting, self full-filling prophecies, and self pity.
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Funny thing is I saw this article today and figured a post like this would show up.

It is not racist. Private citizens are free to do business with whomever they choose regardless of the reason.

The black community needs to support itself more. There are plenty of sucessful white, hispanic and asian owned companies. There aren't enough sucessful black businesses. It is about people helping people.

People complain that there are too many people on welfare, etc, but when a group wants to help their own race out all of a sudden it is a problem. Would you rather see black owned businesses fail or would you rather see them succeed? In the long run, it will help.

A lot of the posters on this site are way too hung up on this issue of "put a white name in there, blah, blah, blah." That is just another way to deny a particular race from pulling itself up.

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Racist or not, this is simply fucking stupid. Given the comparatively low percentage of black population, it may be tough to find what you need in local stores unless you live in an area predominantly populated by blacks.

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These folks have taken it to an extreme, but I believe their intention was to try to do something to support the black community. The fact that they had to travel in that huge of a radius to cover all their needs from black owned businesses is shocking. This proves there is a severe lack of black owned business presence in the area. This is their way of attempting to bridge that gap and balance the disparity out.

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Yes, the money will go from one black family's hands to another, but then it will get diluted. Fortunately, for the store owners, but down the line it gets lost and mixed up. I see it from a "behind the scenes" POV and think it's a waste of gas and bad for the environment, but a good thing for the African American community.

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Yes, the money will go from one black family's hands to another, but then it will get diluted. Fortunately, for the store owners, but down the line it gets lost and mixed up. I see it from a "behind the scenes" POV and think it's a waste of gas and bad for the environment, but a good thing for the African American community.

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Yes, the money will go from one black family's hands to another, but then it will get diluted. Fortunately, for the store owners, but down the line it gets lost and mixed up. I see it from a "behind the scenes" POV and think it's a waste of gas and bad for the environment, but a good thing for the African American community.

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How much gas and resources are you all going to use going all the way to FL just to do a track day?

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And I don't think the point is that the money will stay in the black community forever. That is a bit silly.
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If the store owners do the same thing this family is doing, it would work itself out, and so on if it continued down the supply line.

The business will help the store owners succeed, yes.
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These folks have taken it to an extreme, but I believe their intention was to try to do something to support the black community. The fact that they had to travel in that huge of a radius to cover all their needs from black owned businesses is shocking. This proves there is a severe lack of black owned business presence in the area. This is their way of attempting to bridge that gap and balance the disparity out.
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The whole argument behind this is that when young black individuals graduate college and start a successful career they do not come back to their neighborhood and support it. The concept was supposed to be that people would return to their neighborhoods and make them better by investing in the community. This garbage about living in oak park but driving around the state to spend their money is just stupid.

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It is racist because it's based on race. If the same product is available across the street and you travel 14 miles because you'd rather buy from someone of a specific race...then it's racist because it separates merchants by race. What would probably be more productive, more environmentally friendly and promote diversity would be to buy the products of black owned businesses from any merchant in your own neighborhood than to travel so far to buy products form a black merchant when you don't know who owns the business that produces the product. If the products you buy from the Black merchant are produced by Asian or White or Hispanic producers...then you are only supporting 1 black businessman.
If the products you buy from a local merchant are produced by Black owned businesses you are not only supporting Black owned business...you are supporting your local community as well.
If we are ever going to be able to overcome racial and ethnic division, the mindset that we must support only one group must be cast off. That mindset is racist no matter who is practicing it.

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but according to this nation the only people who can be racist are white people.

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What would probably be more productive, more environmentally friendly and promote diversity would be to buy the products of black owned businesses from any merchant in your own neighborhood than to travel so far to buy products form a black merchant when you don't know who owns the business that produces the product. If the products you buy from the Black merchant are produced by Asian or White or Hispanic producers...then you are only supporting 1 black businessman.
If the products you buy from a local merchant are produced by Black owned businesses you are not only supporting Black owned business...you are supporting your local community as well.
That's what I was getting at
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That mindset is racist no matter who is practicing it.
So if I decide not to buy products made in China or Vietnam I am racist?

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What would probably be more productive, more environmentally friendly and promote diversity would be to buy the products of black owned businesses from any merchant in your own neighborhood than to travel so far to buy products form a black merchant when you don't know who owns the business that produces the product.
You are missing the point. They aren't there. And as a consumer I should be able to purchase products from whomever I choose for whatever reason. Welcome to America.

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