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WTF?!?! 13-year-old's school strip-search case heads to Supreme Court

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The case of a 13-year-old Arizona girl strip-searched by school officials looking for ibuprofen pain-reliever will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court this week.


The Supreme Court has a mixed record when it comes to students' rights.

The justices in January accepted the Safford school district case for review, and will decide whether a campus setting gives school administrators greater discretion to control students suspected of illegal activity than police are allowed in cases involving adults in general public spaces.

The case is centered around Savana Redding, now 19, who in 2003 was an eighth-grade honors student at Safford Middle School, about 127 miles from Tucson, Arizona. Redding was strip-searched by school officials after a fellow student accused her of providing prescription-strength ibuprofen pills.

The school has a zero-tolerance policy for all prescription and over-the-counter medication, including the ibuprofen, without prior written permission.

"In this case, the United States Supreme Court will decide how easy it is for school officials to strip search your child," Adam Wolf, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who is representing Redding, told CNN Radio on Sunday.

Wolf told CNN Radio his client was traumatized by the search.

"School officials undoubtedly have difficult jobs, but sometimes they overreact -- and this was just a clear overreaction," he said.

Redding was pulled from class by a male vice principal, escorted to an office, where she denied the accusations.

A search of Redding's backpack found nothing. Then, although she never had prior disciplinary problems, a strip search was conducted with the help of a school nurse and Wilson's assistant, both females. According to court records, she was ordered to strip to her underwear and her bra was pulled out. Again, no drugs were found.

In an affidavit, Redding said, "The strip search was the most humiliating experience I have ever had. I held my head down so that they could not see that I was about to cry."

At issue is whether school administrators are constitutionally barred from conducting searches of students investigated for possessing or dealing drugs that are banned on campus.

A federal appeals court found the search "traumatizing" and illegal.

Some parents say older children deserve the same constitutional rights as adults, but educators counter a school setting has always been treated differently by courts, and a ruling against them could jeopardize campus safety.

While a federal magistrate and a three-panel appeals court found the search was reasonable, the full 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Redding last year.

"Common sense informs us," wrote the court, "that directing a 13-year-old girl to remove her clothes, partially revealing her breasts and pelvic area, for allegedly possessing ibuprofen ... was excessively intrusive."

The court said the school went too far in its effort to create a drug- and crime-free classroom. "The overzealousness of school administrators in efforts to protect students has the tragic impact of traumatizing those they claim to serve. And all this to find prescription-strength ibuprofen."

In its appeal to the Supreme Court, the school district said restrictions on conducting student searches would cast a "roadblock to the kind of swift and effective response that is too often needed to protect the very safety of students, particularly from the threats posed by drugs and weapons."

School officials said the court was "wholly uninformed about a disturbing new trend" -- the abuse of over-the-counter medication by teenagers.

The high court has a mixed record over the years on students' rights.

In a famous 1969 ruling, the justices said students do not "shed their constitutional rights ... at the schoolhouse gate." But decisions in the 1980s gave administrators greater discretion, including one case that said officials need not be required to have a warrant to search a student's locker. Such a search was permitted if there were "reasonable" grounds for believing it would turn up evidence and when the search was not "excessively intrusive."

Opinions in 1995 and 2001 allowed schools to conduct random drug testing of high school athletes, and those participating in other extracurricular activities.

And in a well-publicized 2007 ruling from Alaska, the Supreme Court upheld the suspension of a student who displayed a large "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" banner at an off-campus, but school-sponsored, event. The decision did not endorse a broader argument that students in general have limited free-speech rights when they interfere with a school's vaguely defined "educational mission."

The court could now be asked to clarify the extent of student rights involving searches, and the discretion of officials regarding those they have responsibility over.

The case is Safford United School District No. 1 v. Redding (08-479).







Why were her parents not called before it went this far?!?! She had no adult representation there to look after her best interests!

Could they not just have sent her home (effectively removing the drugs from campus if she was still concealing them) after searching her pockets and backpack, or would an investigation have just been too difficult? :

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Absolutly recockulous. I dont care if the kid has friggin crack up thier ass, If it was my kid..... someone would die. Period. As in D-E-D ded. no heart beat or brain activity. No school should have that right. Not without police involvement.
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sounds like anyone can acuse anyone of anything and they act on it. What if a student said the asst principal had drugs? Would that person be strip searched by the nurse too?

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I really hate to hear that America's honor students are running around stoned on Ibuprofen. Fuck every single person involved with that search who didn't put the brakes on.
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Why were her parents not called before it went this far?!?! She had no adult representation there to look after her best interests!
From experience the officials at the high school I went to thought they had the right to question minors, detain them indefinitely and a whole host of other things the Police can't do, just because. Those people are fuckin assholes with a superiority complex.

At one point I was forced to sign some sort of agreement dealing with my status as a student without any type of representation and being berated, threatened and detained for hours. Why? Because I had cut out the reef shoes girls from the magazine ads and taped them into one of my notebooks, which i then left in a class room. 8th grade.

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A couple of things:

Zero tolerance policies do nothing but get schools in trouble like this.

The school overreacted and should have contacted police and parents.

Schools do not have to show the same discretion as the police do in things like questioning, searching, detaining, etc.

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Schools do not have to show the same discretion as the police do in things like questioning, searching, detaining, etc.
I know. But it just seems like such bullshit.

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I blame the white trash kid that does drugs and is jelous of a honors student.
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I blame the white trash kid that does drugs and is jelous of a honors student.

Wat?
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the white trash kid, that lied to the teacher saying, the girl had drugs on her.


don't you know school politics. even if your an A+ student, you can have a douchebag thats a natural born liar say anything to get you in trouble, and they will believe the liar.
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the white trash kid, that lied to the teacher saying, the girl had drugs on her.


don't you know school politics. even if your an A+ student, you can have a douchebag thats a natural born liar say anything to get you in trouble, and they will believe the liar.

Um... actually I was wondering where you got the 'white trash' part from...

What if the student who alerted the teachers heard a rumor and advised staff like they are taught too in order to protect their peers and a safe learning environment? It's not that kid's fault that the adults in the situation acted inappropriately.

You are making assumptions just like those school officials did.
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Um... actually I was wondering where you got the 'white trash' part from...

What if the student who alerted the teachers heard a rumor and advised staff like they are taught too in order to protect their peers and a safe learning environment? It's not that kid's fault that the adults in the situation acted inappropriately.

You are making assumptions just like those school officials did.
It's called 'self-projection.' He's white trash so he automatically views everyone else as such.

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Um... actually I was wondering where you got the 'white trash' part from...

What if the student who alerted the teachers heard a rumor and advised staff like they are taught too in order to protect their peers and a safe learning environment? It's not that kid's fault that the adults in the situation acted inappropriately.

You are making assumptions just like those school officials did.

A rumor isn't fact.

rumor is the same as the kid making it up just to get back at them or over jealousy.

don't you remember being 13?


If you were the administrator why would you take the word of a kid that got suspended 6 times, never shows up to school over an honors student? Or because his lie was so convincing that you accepted it as truth.


I'm sure 1 pill is dangerous to the entire grade. 1 gun is dangerous to the entire grade. Maybe if they found a pill bottle with 50 pills in it on her besides looking in her underwear for 1 pill.
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It's called 'self-projection.' He's white trash so he automatically views everyone else as such.
atleast I can hold down a wife.
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A rumor isn't fact.

rumor is the same as the kid making it up just to get back at them or over jealousy.

don't you remember being 13?


If you were the administrator why would you take the word of a kid that got suspended 6 times, never shows up to school over an honors student? Or because his lie was so convincing that you accepted it as truth.


I'm sure 1 pill is dangerous to the entire grade. 1 gun is dangerous to the entire grade. Maybe if they found a pill bottle with 50 pills in it on her besides looking in her underwear for 1 pill.

Where are you getting this information from? Where does it say the kid who reported it was a trouble maker? Where does it say they were looking for one pill? I believe the news report states that she was accused of distributing the medication...

This is not either child's fault.
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I was wondering the same. Not to mention that just cause a kid doesnt get the best grades, or skips school, or used to beat you up for being an idiot, doesnt neccesarilly make them a liar. Or white trash. I was poor growing up cause my father had a drug problem and was in jail. I didnt get the best grades cause I skipped schooll alot because it didnt challenge me and they wouldnt give me honors courses. I took out my agressions on people who made fun of me for being poor because they couldnt back up their mouths. does that make me trash?

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I was wondering the same. Not to mention that just cause a kid doesnt get the best grades, or skips school, or used to beat you up for being an idiot, doesnt neccesarilly make them a liar.
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Where are you getting this information from? Where does it say the kid who reported it was a trouble maker? Where does it say they were looking for one pill? I believe the news report states that she was accused of distributing the medication...

This is not either child's fault.
if she was distributing medicine..... why didn't they find any pills on her?

Since she had no pills on her. that makes the other kid to be a liar.


how many kids came forward and said, look at the pill she just gave me?


Of course, this isn't the kid who got searched "fault" some kid made it up.
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[QUOTE=Poser33;1399602 I took out my agressions on people who made fun of me for being poor because they couldnt back up their mouths. does that make me trash?[/QUOTE]

did you lie to make yourself look better? Spread rumors about other kids because they didn't live in Naperville?
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did you lie to make yourself look better? Spread rumors about other kids because they didn't live in Naperville?
WAT!?!?!

What does living in Naperville have to do with anything?
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What does living in Naperville have to do with anything?
wat? u live in naperville 2? i thought it was just Chills
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did you lie to make yourself look better? Spread rumors about other kids because they didn't live in Naperville?
No. I grew up in waukegan. Zion And North Chicago. not the part of the city, the one in lake county.
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wat? u live in naperville 2? i thought it was just Chills

There are a few of us here....

but I'm sure I don't know what that has to do with how terribly this situation was handled by the adults put in charge of protecting the children at that school, accused or not.
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No. I grew up in waukegan. Zion And North Chicago. not the part of the city, the one in lake county.
did you rat out the cool kid that lit a bottle rocket on the window ledge or filled a condom with water and drop it out the window for a free fall experiment?
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