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Hey guy's, Just letting you know. I filled up here on the way to starved rock.. and blew my engine.. I dont know if it was bad gas or just something else. Just wanna let everyone know. Only 8200 miles, no way my engine shoulda blew.... oh, and watch out down off Southmore Rd... their's a few pieces of engine casing and alot of oil..... lol!!
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Damn sucks to hear your engine went out... but I can't see how bad gas would do that. Bad gas could clog the fuel system (carb/FI or filters) but not cause catastrophic motor failure. Had you been checking the oil level regularly? Good luck on finding a replacement motor.

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bad gas could cause what hes describing assuming ultra low octane but I would seriously doubt it from a BP

Diesel wouldnt do it either, not enough compression to burn diesel in a gas motor

sounds more like a rod let go, what does your RPM history look like

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Way more likely to be an oil problem than a gas problem. (Either bad oil, not enough oil, or bad oil pump)

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if he filled up with fuel with a bunch of water in it... that would make the engine go.. BANG!

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Spun rod on the crankshaft isn't caused by bad gas.

Either bad construction of the motor / parts or starvation of oil.

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if he filled up with fuel with a bunch of water in it... that would make the engine go.. BANG!
I would like a specific explanation mechanically how water in gas would seize a motor up. Seriously, I'd like to learn something here.

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he didnt' say it spun on a rod bearing did he?, sounded like a rod came out the side if the engine case came apart.

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I would like a specific explanation mechanically how water in gas would seize a motor up. Seriously, I'd like to learn something here.
Think Hydro-lock the motor.

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I would like a specific explanation mechanically how water in gas would seize a motor up. Seriously, I'd like to learn something here.
Water in fuel in a motor with high compression, it can *possibly* hydro lock an engine, then spit the rod right out the side of the motor.

also can cause a very bad lean condition and actually overheat a piston causing it to expand and not move in the cylinder, again causing the rod to snap and come out the side.

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Thanks for the explanation.

That sucks, if it's true their tanks do have water in them I wonder if there is any way to report that or prove it and have those Rich bastards at BP buy you a new motor.

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Thanks for the explanation.

That sucks, if it's true their tanks do have water in them I wonder if there is any way to report that or prove it and have those Rich bastards at BP buy you a new motor.
fuel sample! chances are gas station might settle with you if you get it looked at right away. i'm sure others have had issues as well.

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Water does not burn and does not compress. Engine spinning trying to compress something that does not, boom. Usually the water does not make it to that point though, it would stop running before damage would occur. Probably something inside the motor that failed. Fuel sample tested wouldn't hurt though.

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if he filled up with fuel with a bunch of water in it... that would make the engine go.. BANG!
this is a possibility, steam expansion is quite powerful

but water and gas seperate water being on the bottom, Id think a stall would be more likely

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Thanks for the explanation.

That sucks, if it's true their tanks do have water in them I wonder if there is any way to report that or prove it and have those Rich bastards at BP buy you a new motor.
tank maint is a big thing in the fuels industry, def get a sample ASAP

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you need to try and see if anyone else who bought gas here during same time frame, possibly put a add in the classifieds looking for people or something online, but definitly need to look into it, but then again it may costs more time and money than it is worth.

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The fuel connection is a possibility, but a remote one to be sure. It's easy to get a sample and if there is water in the fuel you can make the case the fuel is the culprit BUT...I suspect there is more to it than bad gas.
That being said, gasoline dealers are required to check their tanks on a regular basis for water because it could be an indication that the tanks are leaking and the fuel is leeching into the surrounding ground and ground water. A big company like BP almost assuredly requires the dealer to keep a record of how often the tank was checked and the results and that should be easily obtained because it would have to be public record under EPA rules, I'm sure.
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Water in fuel in a motor with high compression, it can *possibly* hydro lock an engine, then spit the rod right out the side of the motor.

also can cause a very bad lean condition and actually overheat a piston causing it to expand and not move in the cylinder, again causing the rod to snap and come out the side.

I have prolly blown up 20 or so engines so far in my life, so many different ways
This is very unlikely to happen. Low octane gas can definitely cause some issues, but watered down gas would cause the motor to misfire and run like shit before anything would let go. The rider would know about it right away and would pull over not that far from the gas station. I've blown a few high high compression motors and they were oil issues or lean conditions.

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Well i have my reciet and a fuel sample getting turned in today. The engine throu a rod threw that crank case. No other mods done to my bike... Its completely stock. Minus the plastic's. Im thinking of cramming a 1000RR into my 600.... ! LOL!
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Well i have my reciet and a fuel sample getting turned in today. The engine throu a rod threw that crank case. No other mods done to my bike... Its completely stock. Minus the plastic's. Im thinking of cramming a 1000RR into my 600.... ! LOL!
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Found a few places with a 1KRR engine..... i just might take the bullet and swap it into my little 600 frame... stretch it +6 inches... lol!!!
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Found a few places with a 1KRR engine..... i just might take the bullet and swap it into my little 600 frame... stretch it +6 inches... lol!!!
Stretch it like 10ft!!!

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haha.. that would make lane splitting a little difficult tho.. maybe god didnt want me to lane split no more.... lol!
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haha.. that would make lane splitting a little difficult tho.. maybe god didnt want me to lane split no more.... lol!
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haha.. I found a DRZ 400SM... really cheap... might buy it to hooligan around town with untill i can either drop a 1KRR engine and custom the RR.. or put the 600 back..
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Sounds more like an oil problem than a fuel problem. Check for overheating on the motor.

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. and that being said I have to think oil problem not fuel

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