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When did the Indy 500 become NASCAR?

Been quite a while since I have had any interest in open wheel oval racing, like maybe since the Unsers, AJ, Johncock and the Sr Andretti were racing......when the hell did Indy cars all become powered by Honda? And have the same chassis?

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They've all had similar chassis for years, largely due to Indy racing rules.

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um..... like 8 years dude... They did this to keep cost down but it is not Nascar which actually have different cars by different manaf...

Indy runs half road courses...




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um..... like 8 years dude... They did this to keep cost down but it is not Nascar which actually have different cars by different manaf...

Indy runs half road courses...

NASCAR has different cars from different manufacturers? Has anyone sat you down and explained the "car of tomorrow" concept to you yet?

AND...If you think IRL/Cart are NASCAR...you should have been at the Springfield TT/Mile over the weekend...You think Daytona and the road race series are NASBIKE!?...Holy crap, Ma!...What's the France family done to my sport!!!???

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NASCAR has different cars from different manufacturers? Has anyone sat you down and explained the "car of tomorrow" concept to you yet?

AND...If you think IRL/Cart are NASCAR...you should have been at the Springfield TT/Mile over the weekend...You think Daytona and the road race series are NASBIKE!?...Holy crap, Ma!...What's the France family done to my sport!!!???
that's what I said... different cars from different manufactures.. Not saying they are all that different... who cares who builds what if the specs have to be so close but it could come down to reliability with the engines. See no further to how cost cutting has screwed F1 up this year...




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AND...If you think IRL/Cart are NASCAR...you should have been at the Springfield TT/Mile over the weekend...You think Daytona and the road race series are NASBIKE!?...Holy crap, Ma!...What's the France family done to my sport!!!???


OTB, please explain.....was not able to go this weekend, was planning for Labor Day weekend. Should I just stay home?

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that's what I said... different cars from different manufactures.. Not saying they are all that different... who cares who builds what if the specs have to be so close but it could come down to reliability with the engines. See no further to how cost cutting has screwed F1 up this year...
Screwed up F1???

You mean now that teams other than McLaren and Ferrari have an actual shot at being competitive!!!

Hey, I'm a Ferrari fan myself, but $700 million for a team budget is completely out of whack!!!(that's the estimated budgets for Ferrari, Toyota and BMW). Give them $50 million plus salary and travel money and unlimited technology (about what F1 is proposing for next year) and this strong competitive comeback were witnessing should continue...

NASCAR and Indy (IRL or whatever they call themselves) are a different story though!...personally have not watched them since they were CART/PPG series...

This years 500 was a crashfest of Days of Thunder proportions!!! ... pretty much a farce!
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Not a huge nascar fan or indy.

I don't know nascar history that well, or the races they go to. But I'm assuming all of todays races are on an oval track.

I remember seeing nascar races with them going in right and left hand turns and this was on espn history races or something. I think this was right after nascar went from stock cars to race car body style.
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Not a huge nascar fan or indy.

I don't know nascar history that well, or the races they go to. But I'm assuming all of todays races are on an oval track.

I remember seeing nascar races with them going in right and left hand turns and this was on espn history races or something. I think this was right after nascar went from stock cars to race car body style.
NASCAR used to race at Riverside in Ca (track no longer exists) and at Watkins Glen in New York, road racing used to be a part of the Cup, but no more!!!
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Screwed up F1???

You mean now that teams other than McLaren and Ferrari have an actual shot at being competitive!!!

Hey, I'm a Ferrari fan myself, but $700 million for a team budget is completely out of whack!!!(that's the estimated budgets for Ferrari, Toyota and BMW). Give them $50 million plus salary and travel money and unlimited technology (about what F1 is proposing for next year) and this strong competitive comeback were witnessing should continue...

NASCAR and Indy (IRL or whatever they call themselves) are a different story though!...personally have not watched them since they were CART/PPG series...

This years 500 was a crashfest of Days of Thunder proportions!!! ... pretty much a farce!
F1 is supposed to be about the best teams and drivers. I'm not so much againts limiting some budgets but to allow almost no testing of the cars after so MANY rule changes in one year is retarded. Changes to cars were supposed to increase overtaking, not happening. Do you really think the best drivers are winning? This is a dissapointing year, it seems like the tallest midget of a team is winning by default. KERS has turned out to be a joke as no one can figure it out and has provided no advantage to cars without it.

How stupid does Honda look after Brawn GP picked up their team and has almost won every race.... although they are using a Mclaren engine now.




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OTB, please explain.....was not able to go this weekend, was planning for Labor Day weekend. Should I just stay home?
No...Go to ALL of the dirt track races...The racing is great still. But, some of the rule changes and things they've borrowed from other sports to put into the program have definately infringed on flat track's unique identity. Like...Why does flat track need a 10 second board with some girl to turn it sideways when she's given the signal? That's from ArenaCross... what's with the bike being walked out to the starting line for every race...it eliminates the build-up and the burnouts...and some of the rules that they've come up with...like a "provisional" start...Why should select riders get a free pass to the main event when they didn't earn their way there? Or the new tire rules...everyone has to use the same tire (eliminating at least 2 tire manufacturers who spent big bucks developing dirt track tires) and not allowing the riders to cut them (which a BIG part of dirt track prep...just ask any sprint car or midget racer) because the manufacturer is concerned about liability? Who in dirt track is concerned about liability?
I know I'm a purist...but c'mon!...It's just as the one who started this thread opined...NASCAR has crept into and contaminated every motorsport and it's crushing the unique identity of them all...especially motorcycle racing. NASCAR dumbed down auto racing...what they don't realize is by trying to do that to motorcycle racing you will hurt the sport tremendously!
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that's what I said... different cars from different manufactures.. Not saying they are all that different... who cares who builds what if the specs have to be so close but it could come down to reliability with the engines. See no further to how cost cutting has screwed F1 up this year...
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Screwed up F1???

You mean now that teams other than McLaren and Ferrari have an actual shot at being competitive!!!

Hey, I'm a Ferrari fan myself, but $700 million for a team budget is completely out of whack!!!(that's the estimated budgets for Ferrari, Toyota and BMW). Give them $50 million plus salary and travel money and unlimited technology (about what F1 is proposing for next year) and this strong competitive comeback were witnessing should continue...

NASCAR and Indy (IRL or whatever they call themselves) are a different story though!...personally have not watched them since they were CART/PPG series...

This years 500 was a crashfest of Days of Thunder proportions!!! ... pretty much a farce!
I was waiting for the competition caution but it never happened.

And the last handful of laps were very boooooring, maybe it could have helped. I knew the race was going to suck when they couldn't even line up and start the race properly. Standing starts FTW!
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that's what I said... different cars from different manufactures.. Not saying they are all that different... who cares who builds what if the specs have to be so close but it could come down to reliability with the engines. See no further to how cost cutting has screwed F1 up this year...
What different cars from different manufacturers? They havent used a GM/Ford/Chrysler chassis since the early 80's. Only thing thats different is bodywork, engine and front or rear steer setup. Chassis now are built identical specs (maximizes safety control for the driver), all use the same 4spd tranny and the same Ford 9" rearend. Hell the only thing on a cup car thats from the street version of the car is the roof, hood and trunk lid.


Ferrari is just pissed that they cant buy a championship anymore.


Napcar still races road courses. Infineon and the Glen. They used to do 3 until 1988.

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What different cars from different manufacturers? They havent used a GM/Ford/Chrysler chassis since the early 80's. Only thing thats different is bodywork, engine and front or rear steer setup. Chassis now are built identical specs (maximizes safety control for the driver), all use the same 4spd tranny and the same Ford 9" rearend. Hell the only thing on a cup car thats from the street version of the car is the roof, hood and trunk lid.


Ferrari is just pissed that they cant buy a championship anymore.


Napcar still races road courses. Infineon and the Glen. They used to do 3 until 1988.

Point is they are not all running Honda engines like IRL referring to the original post. Rearding F1, buying championships is one thing.... mass confusion by over half the teams is another. The diffusor incident with Brawn the first two races was a joke, do you even watch F1?

The Bush series in Nascar races road courses... The Sprint Cup does not..




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Point is they are not all running Honda engines like IRL referring to the original post. Rearding F1, buying championships is one thing.... mass confusion by over half the teams is another. The diffusor incident with Brawn the first two races was a joke, do you even watch F1?

The Bush series in Nascar races road courses... The Sprint Cup does not..
Actually I do watch F1 when I feel like it and quite honestly I could care less about the stupid drama over little things which makes me watch less and less.

And yes the Sprint Cup DOES run road courses. June 21 at Sonoma (Infineon) and Aug 9 at the Glen.

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F1 is supposed to be about the best teams and drivers. I'm not so much againts limiting some budgets but to allow almost no testing of the cars after so MANY rule changes in one year is retarded. Changes to cars were supposed to increase overtaking, not happening. Do you really think the best drivers are winning? This is a dissapointing year, it seems like the tallest midget of a team is winning by default. KERS has turned out to be a joke as no one can figure it out and has provided no advantage to cars without it.

How stupid does Honda look after Brawn GP picked up their team and has almost won every race.... although they are using a Mclaren engine now.
DISSAPOINTING???...the more teams capable of winning the more exciting the racing, I'm sorry but what made the '80s F1 so much more exciting was the fact that at one point you had 5 teams capable of winning (Williams, McLaren, Lotus, Renault, Brabham) and 5 world champions duking it out every race (Rosberg, Prost, Senna, Mansell and Piquet)

As far as testing, hey everyone had the exact same amount of it, fair is fair...if my team (Ferrari) chose to spend their time and efforts on perfecting the '08 car instead of putting more into the '09 then so be it, they (and McLaren) made their choice...so many rule changes...what about the years they changed for turbo cars to a mix of turbo and normally aspirated + the ability to refuel (remember Mansell and Piquet running out of fuel in the last lap of a race) or traction control, launch control, tunnels in the underside, ground effects....F1 is about the best engineering + the best drivers....


I agree, KERS has turned out to be a joke, so what???what about the years when Lotus and Williams active suspension completely dominated the field, or when you had a decade of V8's running when everyone knew fully well the turbo 6 cylinders would eat them up on the track???

Also, do you think Hamilton would've won a championship and all those races in his first two years if he had started with, say...Super Aguri??? (Like Senna did almost winning a race while driving for Toleman)...if anything, right now, all the electronics make it hard to know who really is the best drivers since it seems ANY driver put into a Ferrari or a McLaren in the past 3 or 4 years could win a race (big exception is Alonso, although I'm not a fan of his, he's winning me over by, quite honestly driving the wheels of the Renault which is far from competitive).

Sorry to get off on a rant...but F1 has been my passion for a long time, and I think it's great that some of the other members of the field are having their day like in the old days when a privateer actually had a chance of winning the Championship.
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indycar has always been just the rich mans nascar, the series is composed of all left turn ovals except like 2 road courses, much like the nascar series is as well...

I was a fan of cart, they did mostly road courses

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indycar has always been just the rich mans nascar, the series is composed of all left turn ovals except like 2 road courses, much like the nascar series is as well...

I was a fan of cart, they did mostly road courses
Just a little off... 7 road courses out of 17 races.




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DISSAPOINTING???...the more teams capable of winning the more exciting the racing, I'm sorry but what made the '80s F1 so much more exciting was the fact that at one point you had 5 teams capable of winning (Williams, McLaren, Lotus, Renault, Brabham) and 5 world champions duking it out every race (Rosberg, Prost, Senna, Mansell and Piquet)

As far as testing, hey everyone had the exact same amount of it, fair is fair...if my team (Ferrari) chose to spend their time and efforts on perfecting the '08 car instead of putting more into the '09 then so be it, they (and McLaren) made their choice...so many rule changes...what about the years they changed for turbo cars to a mix of turbo and normally aspirated + the ability to refuel (remember Mansell and Piquet running out of fuel in the last lap of a race) or traction control, launch control, tunnels in the underside, ground effects....F1 is about the best engineering + the best drivers....


I agree, KERS has turned out to be a joke, so what???what about the years when Lotus and Williams active suspension completely dominated the field, or when you had a decade of V8's running when everyone knew fully well the turbo 6 cylinders would eat them up on the track???

Also, do you think Hamilton would've won a championship and all those races in his first two years if he had started with, say...Super Aguri??? (Like Senna did almost winning a race while driving for Toleman)...if anything, right now, all the electronics make it hard to know who really is the best drivers since it seems ANY driver put into a Ferrari or a McLaren in the past 3 or 4 years could win a race (big exception is Alonso, although I'm not a fan of his, he's winning me over by, quite honestly driving the wheels of the Renault which is far from competitive).

Sorry to get off on a rant...but F1 has been my passion for a long time, and I think it's great that some of the other members of the field are having their day like in the old days when a privateer actually had a chance of winning the Championship.

I do like to see others mixing it up, maybe I am just not a fan of Brawn. I hope some of the other teams get up to snuff. Anyone else think the 09' cars look like ass. Last year was some of the best and closest racing I have ever seen. One team running away with the title was not the point of all the rule changes.




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