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post #1 of 170 (permalink) Old 05-25-2009, 02:43 PM Thread Starter
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ISP Crackdown has begun

Everyone who rides needs to be aware of this. Yesterday when I left my hotel and headed towards the state fairgrounds for the flat track races in Springfield (I was driving, not riding) their was what appeared to be an accident investigation or motorist/rider pulled over a couple blocks ahead of me on Sangamon Avenue. Traffic was slowed because of the lane being blocked and as we got closer it turned out to be a State Police set up and they were pulling over all of the bikes, no matter what kind and were requiring the riders to produce insurance papers and their licenses. The main thing they were checking for were M class endorsements on licenses. I spoke to a state trooper I know at the fairgrounds later and he told me that anyone without an M endorsement or proof of insurance was busted and not allowed to ride any further. They also issued warnings for excessively loud pipes, although they did not ticket for that. He also told me that in a study of motorcycle accidents statewide for the last few years, riders without the M endorsement are extremely over represented in accidents. He said that to avoid chase scenarios, the ISP has decided to do these random safety checks and that one could pop up at any and all large motorcycle gatherings in the state at any time.
Be forewarned...make sure your insurance is up to date and that you have an M endorsement.

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Man, Illinois really does suck.
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Man, Illinois really does suck.
You mean the Socialist Republic of Illinois.
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Man, Illinois really does suck.
WTF, you have NO bike and you're NOT from Illinois.

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they had too many bikes pulled over when we went through so they just let streaker and i through.
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Fraker went thru that checkpoint w/o being stopped

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they had too many bikes pulled over when we went through so they just let streaker and i through.
I saw a similar checkpoint there day before yesterday and they also didn't stop me. Looks like they were pretty much ignoring anyone wearing gear.

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WTF, you have NO bike and you're NOT from Illinois.

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Which has what to do with what? Illinois is stricter in what seems like every single bit of the law versus Indiana plus more problems =teh suck plus even the own residents want to move. haha

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Man, Illinois really does suck.
Personally, I don't mind waiting extra 10 minutes in a line to such checkpoint if it keeps assholes off the road and prevents stricter laws/more regulations and other shit like that.

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personally, i don't mind waiting extra 10 minutes in a line to such checkpoint if it keeps assholes off the road and prevents stricter laws/more regulations and other shit like that.
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Personally, I don't mind waiting extra 10 minutes in a line to such checkpoint if it keeps assholes off the road and prevents stricter laws/more regulations and other shit like that.
+1

Seriously, if there weren't a bunch of scofflaw jerks out there we wouldn't have to deal with this. Get legal or get off the road.

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Personally, I don't mind waiting extra 10 minutes in a line to such checkpoint if it keeps assholes off the road and prevents stricter laws/more regulations and other shit like that.
I agree...I have insurance, a proper license and ride responsibly. This only targets those who are violating the law, riding irresponsibly and bring undue attention to those who are responsible.
It doesn't matter what state you live in, operating any vehicle on the roads is a priviledge, not a right and following the rules is required of you. As far as I'm concerned I'm glad the ISP has come up with a plan that deals with the squids and meatballs and does nothing more than inconvenience responsible riders for a few minutes!

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I may sound like a dick, but......if you do not have a M license or insurance what the hell right do you have to be on the road with a bike?
If I go to the doctor I expect him to have graduated from med school.
If I buy take a flight I have no problem if the pilots are subject to random drug tests before a flight. Some rules are actually good and keep folks honest.
If these troopers were pulling over all bikers and searching them for drugs or something I would understand but in order to be a responsible adult you should have a M and insurance. I remember years and years ago taking my msf class. There must have been around 30% of the people in the class who said they have been riding for years and are now finally getting around to take the test and get a license and insurance.
To be fair the check point should have stopped cars also to check for the same thing. I do understand the anger for singling bikers out but 2 wheels or 4 you should have a license and insurance.

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I agree...I have insurance, a proper license and ride responsibly. This only targets those who are violating the law, riding irresponsibly and bring undue attention to those who are responsible.
It doesn't matter what state you live in, operating any vehicle on the roads is a priviledge, not a right and following the rules is required of you. As far as I'm concerned I'm glad the ISP has come up with a plan that deals with the squids and meatballs and does nothing more than inconvenience responsible riders for a few minutes!
+1 as usual.

I'm glad they are doing this.




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There are several programs that set up checkpoints for cars just to check for seatbelt compliance. They do sobriety checks and license and insurance checks on cars & trucks too. The thing with targeting motorcycles has grown out of the high representation of unlicensed and uninsured riders being involved in accidents. So, this is not being done to motorcyclists alone...The ISP has been saying for years that a crackdown was coming and the thing that has also become a problem is riders who flee. These checkpoints are hard to flee from because thay have cars set up to block and stop anyone trying to avoid the stops.
I don't like these stops any more than anyone else, but they work and get the message out that if you aren't in complance with the law, you may not easily avoid being caught.

EDIT: These kind of checkpoints have been challenged in court all over the country and in federal court all the way up to the Supreme Court...they have been up held in every case that I know of.

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On a side note, I better make sure I find my insurance card. I'm constantly loosing those damn things.




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Man, Illinois really does suck.
You're an idiot for that comment. Just be legal and you won't have a problem. OR just stay in Indiana.

Kudos to the ISP. Get those "problems" off the street!!

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You're an idiot for that comment. Just be legal and you won't have a problem. OR just stay in Indiana.

Kudos to the ISP. Get those "problems" off the street!!
I'm all for more safety no doubt about that especially in the form of the law. But, this is a realistic world. Look how many M class people alone on HERE are injured and they know what they are doing supposeovly. Just like DUI stops/Seatbelt people are going bitch and moan because it's hurting the common citizen also who is perfectly legal. The majority of people it seems who ride motorcycles are less concerned about safety than the folks on here that are aware because it's a community for this type of stuff.

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Gotta say. im not a fan of police singling out one group of people but to be honest. if you have the money for a bike how hard is it to go to the DMV and get a M class endorsment or better yet take the free msf course and get an endorsement and skill refresher/improvement.

as for insurance, as much as it isnt cheap to insure some bikes (esspecially sport bikes) id rather state police pull over people during these roadside checks to check for insurance. people shouldnt be riding without insurance anyways. not like the law hasnt been on the books already. it aint cheap and it sucks but its good to have

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Fine by me. It's annoying that so many idiots ride illegally. I wonder why they are the majority in accidents, perhaps it's due to them not knowing how to ride?

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I guess I did not look like a squid so they just waved me through?? I think they were just targeting suspicious people.


It does not bother me one bit because I am completely legal. The only thing that did bother me was the frickin' heat while we were sitting in their line of vehicles, stop, go, stop, go, etc. It was very exhausting
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I think it is great - Get the punters off the road for the rest of us - Although, I did ride for YEARS on the street without an M Class

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Notice that since the COTUS is a living document and is subject to modern interpretation, the 4th amendment against illegal search means less and less. Driving may not be a right, but it's not an excuse for wide spread searches either.

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Loudes, hate to tell ya there not violating the 4th amendment in the least. theres a loop hole for everything in todays legal system. if i remember correctly, as long as there not singleing out a small select group of people or a single person, and the department can show proof that the road side saftey check is set up to find thoes violating a law that can do compromise the saftey of the public, then the roadside check is indead legal and not violating the 4th amendment search and seizure policy.

in this case staticis have shown (as state by the OP) that thoes without an m class happen to be the ones getting into the most motorcycle accidents then a roadside check at the begenning of the season to search for M Class license inorder to protect the drivers and the motorcycle community can be justified. gotta love uncle sams loop holes

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