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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 05-26-2009, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
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So I'm going to sell my 2001 CBR F4i and buy a newer model 600 bike. My major decision is between the two

2005 Honda CBR 600RR

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2005 Kawa ZX6R 636

Just seems to be whats out there right now in my price range/desire to buy

I do like Honda, but I also kind of always wanted a 636 for look/speed appeal. Now, the only thing kind of keeping me back from the 636 is that I had heard it is prone to transmission issues (i.e. especially in 2nd/3rd gear)

I'd like to hear from you all to see what you think about this. The bike I'm looking at now has under 5k miles on it, and the transmission problems are said to occur within the 0-5k range, which makes me wonder. I am not a track biker, and I don't push my bikes hard on the road. (at least I don't think I do)

1) How much have people heard about this issue with the 636, and who owns a 636/likes it/sees no issues

2) I doubt I can check the tranny without riding the thing (and not many sellers allow a test ride)

Any advice on this choice?

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If I have cash in hand and they still won't let me take it for a spin, I'm not buying that bike.

How big of a guy are you? I don't comfortably fit on a 600RR (I do love them though). The extra 36cc on the Kawi are nice too. Have you considered the Daytona 675 too?

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Don't have the skrilla for a Triumph I doubt.

I'm 147lbs and 5'8" and the F4i fit me like a glove. Upon the specs of the 636 and 600rr both should fit me well (unless the seller had it raised), but I'd have to sit on them to see.

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I bought my 636 used last year with 5,100miles (about 7,800 now), the engine is smoooooth down low and once past 7k things get interesting, QUICK! I have a Two Brothers undertail pipe that makes a sound I like. Transmission took me a couple of months to get used to finding neutral, but once you do, its pretty smooth (not the smoothest shift action ever, but still pretty good). Overall I'm pretty happy with it and don't see myself parting with it anytime soon!!!

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If I have cash in hand and they still won't let me take it for a spin, I'm not buying that bike.

How big of a guy are you? I don't comfortably fit on a 600RR (I do love them though). The extra 36cc on the Kawi are nice too. Have you considered the Daytona 675 too?
F' THOSE EXTRA 36CC'S!!! I USED TO WHOOP ON MY BUDDIES 636 ALL THE TIME!!! on my RR!

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So I'm going to sell my 2001 CBR F4i and buy a newer model 600 bike. My major decision is between the two

2005 Honda CBR 600RR

OR

2005 Kawa ZX6R 636

Just seems to be whats out there right now in my price range/desire to buy

I do like Honda, but I also kind of always wanted a 636 for look/speed appeal. Now, the only thing kind of keeping me back from the 636 is that I had heard it is prone to transmission issues (i.e. especially in 2nd/3rd gear)

I'd like to hear from you all to see what you think about this. The bike I'm looking at now has under 5k miles on it, and the transmission problems are said to occur within the 0-5k range, which makes me wonder. I am not a track biker, and I don't push my bikes hard on the road. (at least I don't think I do)

1) How much have people heard about this issue with the 636, and who owns a 636/likes it/sees no issues

2) I doubt I can check the tranny without riding the thing (and not many sellers allow a test ride)

Any advice on this choice?
Go with the 600rr I'm ready to take any critisicm on this all day! Honda compared to Kawasaki Ack! Honda all day!!!!

Better Looking/Riding and much more!

Stick with your gut on the RR Just my 2

P.S. If money is in hand, I'll allow a test ride with M-Class preferably.

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Heh heh, I contacted IceCold about buying his 600rr. Hence his response I think...

Price is $5150 on the 636 IceCold, which (I know you'll hate me) is also the other reason I'm thinking on it. I gotta take care of the wallet lately as much as I can.

But again...only expanding my options right now. Still gotta sell my F4i, so nothing solid yet

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the only thing kind of keeping me back from the 636 is that I had heard it is prone to transmission issues (i.e. especially in 2nd/3rd gear)
Just another for ya, I had a 2003 636 w/1300 miles on it just SHIT OUT on me one time on the highway doing 80mph... As exciting as that was and getting a nice little toss forward onto the tank once the power cut out, not really sure you want a bike thats "PRONE" to anything! Just sayin

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Never been on a Honda, but I had an 05 636. Beautiful bike, no problems, but I could not get comfortable on rides longer than 30 mins. The ergos just weren't right for me (5'10") and my wrist would get sore very quick. This probably could have been fixed if I had the desire to start playing with new bars, rearsets, etc. However a deal I couldn't pass up came around and I got the gixxer. I don't regret a thing

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i used to dig the 636 but the upgrades available for the 600rr are just better. many more people have that bike so parts are easier to find. plus you can rock some halo eyes.

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Who what eyes?

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I had an 05 636 that I flogged the shit out of on the track, as well as some street riding. I bought it with around 3k on the clock, sold it with 9k. For me (6'2") I found it very comfortable. The power and handling on that bike was great, once I had everything dialed in it gave impressive feel and confidence for stock suspension. The transmission shifted very smoothly for me, with the exception of a couple rides when it intermittantly refused to downshift when slowing for a traffic light. Then it never happened again. The bikes are usually an incredible value compared to comparable models of the other big 3. I'd buy another, it was a great bike

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Who what eyes?
Aftermarket lights that do nothing really... they could look nice depending no your taste.

The '05-'06 Ninjas look better than the same year RRs, but I'm partial to the Ninja since it was my first bike. I had an '03 zx6r.

Nothing wrong w/ either bike I think. Isn't someone selling it for that cheap on this site?

edit: NVM https://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com...ad.php?t=89200

If they are the same price... (but it looks like the ninja is cheaper)... go w/ the ninja... it has HALF the miles.
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9k on my 05' 636 and solid as a rock. No transmission problems,great all around bike.
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i thought the 05 600rr was one of the most uncomfortable and hardest to work on bikes. (i think that had to do mainly with the process involved in removing the fairings)

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i used to dig the 636 but the upgrades available for the 600rr are just better. many more people have that bike so parts are easier to find. plus you can rock some halo eyes.
and what's the point of halo lights if you're required to have your low-beams on all the time, and should really be using your hi-beams in the daytime? I never understood this fad with bikes.

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While I was down in panama city beach for spring break I actually rented a 2007 Honda Cbr one day....The seat and passenger ride on the bike completely suck. I was uncomfortable all day as well as my girl. I would prefer R6, GSXR600, OR Ninja 636 over the cbr. For many more reasons but this is the most influential.

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While I was down in panama city beach for spring break I actually rented a 2007 Honda Cbr one day....The seat and passenger ride on the bike completely suck. I was uncomfortable all day as well as my girl. I would prefer R6, GSXR600, OR Ninja 636 over the cbr. For many more reasons but this is the most influential.
Stock seats on Hondas are horrible except for the Goldwing.

I dig the 636, actually. Someone is selling an 06 special edition in the For Sale forum here. The RR will get you access to more modification possibilities. However, if you are going to keep things stock for the most part, the 636 is a great bike but not enough to beat our the RR overall.

It comes down to your comfort, really. Sit on both and decide from there. Performance will be close.

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My buddy JUST let go of a mint 2005 636 for 4800 with 8k on it..dang.

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My buddy is selling his R6 check the for sale forum and let me know if your interested.
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i thought the 05 600rr was one of the most uncomfortable and hardest to work on bikes. (i think that had to do mainly with the process involved in removing the fairings)


and what's the point of halo lights if you're required to have your low-beams on all the time, and should really be using your hi-beams in the daytime? I never understood this fad with bikes.
mental horsepower obviously.
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seat on the 636 is awesome, and a fuckin lazyboy when compared to any cbr seat

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seat on the 636 is awesome, and a fuckin lazyboy when compared to any cbr seat
I'm sorry I may have missed something do we buy these things for comfort or performance!? If you can't handle a sport bike seat go get a cruiser!

The RR is a MUCH better bike all around! And the difference in a SEAT is going to be so Minuscule. If it's that big of deal go get a corbin on a RR and your set!

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I'm sorry I may have missed something do we buy these things for comfort or performance!? If you can't handle a sport bike seat go get a cruiser!

The RR is a MUCH better bike all around! And the difference in a SEAT is going to be so Minuscule. If it's that big of deal go get a corbin on a RR and your set!



You need to lay off the Wacky Tabacky!!! If you honestly think this u may be clinically INSANE!
And if you're trying to deny the fact that you're not bias about the RR's because he was looking at your bike means you're on crack. :P

All joking aside.

Why would you pay more for a bike w/ more miles? Though they may be different bikes. Though the aesthetics can be argued to no end... engine displacement can't... and the extra 36cc is nice.
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And if you're trying to deny the fact that you're not bias about the RR's because he was looking at your bike means you're on crack. :P

All joking aside.

Why would you pay more for a bike w/ more miles? Though they may be different bikes. Though the aesthetics can be argued to no end... engine displacement can't... and the extra 36cc is nice.
Dude those 36cc's are NOTHING!!! My buddy had an 06 636 and I walked on him with my 05 everytime we lined up! That said I laugh when people reference that point.

And um not da mention the only people that are going to see any differences in these bikes performance if at all are pro riders on controlled courses. On the street you'll never see it!

And as far as him buying my bike or not it is what it is. I want him to buy a bike he's going to be happy with, whether or not it's mine doesn't matter. I'm perfectly fine with my new 1000rr!!!

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*edit* forgot to mention that your buddies 07 is a 599, not a 636. the 636 was 03-04, and 05-06.

the 36 cc's aren't insignificant. I was at Grattan a couple years ago for a trackday, a guy on an R1 and I traded spots for half a session. After the session we were casually talking trackside and he asked "What year is your 10R?" When I told him it was a 636 the look on his face made my day lol.

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Dude those 36cc's are NOTHING!!! My buddy had an 07 636 and I walked on him with my 05 everytime we lined up! That said I laugh when people reference that point.
There's your first problem... they stopped making the 636 in '06. All the ninjas after the '06 were slow as balls in comparison. That would probably explain why your cbr beat it. Not to mention that the american models had a limiter which made it even slower than the euro spec. So no the 36cc's make quite a difference.

Besides... the bikes are still pretty much comparable... why would you pay more for a bike w/ more miles?

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Ultimately they are both great bikes. Sit on them both, buy the one thats more comfortable to you.
+1 Thats the only sensible reasoning on these two bikes in my opinion....

Well minus my bias attitude towards those ugly kawi's!

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There's your first problem... they stopped making the 636 in '06. All the ninjas after the '06 were slow as balls in comparison. That would probably explain why your cbr beat it. Not to mention that the american models had a limiter which made it even slower than the euro spec. So no the 36cc's make quite a difference.

Besides... the bikes are still pretty much comparable and like I said... why would you pay more for a bike w/ more miles?
Post edited! I made an oops with my number key pad over here.

Ohhh and yea as far as paying more for a bike it is what it is, but the Hondas have always consistently been a little higher priced and carry resale better. Not to mention people are GIVING away bikes rite now! I'm listing my bike at a 1000 less then it's freaking Retail value! Errrr.

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Not to mention that the american models had a limiter which made it even slower than the euro spec.
true, do the jumper mod (comprised of placing a wire between two terminals of a connector under the seat) and you get free HP at top end.

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