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HD Camcorders?

Anyone know anything about HD Camcorders, or can recommend a good web page to give myself a crash course? I'm thinking about picking one up tonight, I'm hoping sub-$500 range if possible, but will stretch my budget if that is not going to get me a good camera.

Is there currently a great bang-for-the-buck HD camcorder out right now that I should just swing by Fry's to pick up and be done with it?

Uses are going to be mostly video taping the puppy, but I may also put a protective filter on it and mount it to the SV for some fun/casual videos, and maybe video documenting some projects and the like.

I've not had a camcorder in 10 years, so I really know nothing about the current state of the art.

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I don't know much about them either. I dropped a couple hundo more on a semi-decent one at the time. In good lighting, the picture is great! But in low lighting, the picture is sub-par. I thought I was getting a great camcorder, but it's a decent one at best.

Sorry, I can't provide much else...
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I have a canon HF-10. Was 800 bucks a 8 months ago. Since then the 11 and 12 models came out and you can prolly pick one up for 550 or so.

It's flash memory based and rated very high on the cam sites (does 24p and 30p etc)

Welcome to check mine out if you like

Or check out the flip mino hd. 200 bucks
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Yeah, I saw those flip models, which might be fine for quick and dirty 720p video, but I want a full 1080p if I'm dropping the cash on a good camcorder. From what I'm reading so far (just started cramming reviews over the past 30 minutes), 2009 is a huge year for HD cameras, and all the brands have come out with some stellar models. I just need to find one I'm not going to regret 6 months from now, without dropping $1500 on a camera that will be worth $500 this time next year! LOl

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I have a canon HF-10. Was 800 bucks a 8 months ago. Since then the 11 and 12 models came out and you can prolly pick one up for 550 or so.

It's flash memory based and rated very high on the cam sites (does 24p and 30p etc)
That's what I am looking at right now.

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I just need to find one I'm not going to regret 6 months from now, without dropping $1500 on a camera that will be worth $500 this time next year! LOl
Thats how its going to be with the rate the the new hd camcorders are coming out. No mater what you buy its going to be worth jack shit by next year.
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Thats how its going to be with the rate the the new hd camcorders are coming out. No mater what you buy its going to be worth jack shit by next year.
Yeah, it's a real double edged sword...we want the tech to grow quickly, but then our current bleeding edge is next years door-stop.

I guess I just need to figure out what features suit what I'll use the HD Camera for, then home in on a specific model from there.

So far, I keep gravitating to these damn $1300 models! Blah!

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So far, I keep gravitating to these damn $1300 models! Blah!
I have the same issue... but I really think that for your situation you would be ok getting something under the $800 range.
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Yeah, it's a real double edged sword...we want the tech to grow quickly, but then our current bleeding edge is next years door-stop.

I guess I just need to figure out what features suit what I'll use the HD Camera for, then home in on a specific model from there.

So far, I keep gravitating to these damn $1300 models! Blah!
think retail was 1250 for the hf-10 when i got it... online it was 800$
not wanting a large camera and wanting something digital only helped a bit.. kept me out of the prosumer stuff that was so expensive
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Ive been looking into those DogCam kits for the bike. I want to avoid the big camera all together. http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/

Not to thread jack too much, any one know of a better bullet cam kit (or DV recorder and piece parts)
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I'd get a dvd quality recorder. What are you going to save hd video off to for playback? Bluray blank disks? $$$$$$ I'd wait till media was cheaper, but that's just me.

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I'd get a dvd quality recorder. What are you going to save hd video off to for playback? Bluray blank disks? $$$$$$ I'd wait till media was cheaper, but that's just me.
I have this thing called a com-pu-ter that plays HD video.

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oh cool, going to send copies to friends and family? ohhhhh right, sending them your computer isn't really an option.

for me with kids, grandparents want copies too. For now DVD is the most universally playable and distributable choice.

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for me with kids, grandparents want copies too. For now DVD is the most universally playable and distributable choice.
Good advice thanks. So the HD video can't be converted to something you can burn to a DVD? Or can't you put it on a thumb drive and send them or give them that? Every one in my family has a PC.

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oh cool, going to send copies to friends and family? ohhhhh right, sending them your computer isn't really an option.

for me with kids, grandparents want copies too. For now DVD is the most universally playable and distributable choice.
Bluray burner is only a couple hundo.
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oh cool, going to send copies to friends and family? ohhhhh right, sending them your computer isn't really an option.

for me with kids, grandparents want copies too. For now DVD is the most universally playable and distributable choice.
vimeo and YouTube hd have been how I have been sharing with the family
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Bluray burner is only a couple hundo.
Oh I know, they're mad cheap. Have you looked at the media costs lately though? Still looking at $20ish per disk for quality media. That's not cheap. Factor in that people you're going to give them to need a BD player too. I'm just saying, you can get a very good dvd quality recorder now for X when the short term costs for the HD recorder are more like XXX with more headaches, and in less than 2 years when media is cheap and everyone has a BD player you can get into an HD recorder for X and you've only spent XX and had far less headaches.

You can downconvert your videos to dvd quality for burning and distribution to answer your question, Jrock. Most devices come with software for this. I'm all about HD, that's no secret, but for the headaches involved right now I dont need to see 1080p content of a kids 1st grade play with horrible lighting and bad sound.

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youtube has an HD option... I haven't uploaded in full HD yet, and of course, the quality isn't there. I'm ready for the BD zombie rush.
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You can downconvert your videos to dvd quality for burning and distribution to answer your question, Jrock. Most devices come with software for this. I'm all about HD, that's no secret, but for the headaches involved right now I dont need to see 1080p content of a kids 1st grade play with horrible lighting and bad sound.
Solid. Thanks. I want to spend less than I would on an HD unit anyway.

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youtube has an HD option... I haven't uploaded in full HD yet, and of course, the quality isn't there. I'm ready for the BD zombie rush.
I got a Cheapie off of ebay
it is
suppose to shoot 1080p @30fps
and 720P @60fps, records on flash
I mainly tape motorsports
I leave it on 720,

and yup love the youtubeHD
here is a clip from my cheapie
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I got a Cheapie off of ebay
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and 720P @60fps, records on flash
I mainly tape motorsports
I leave it on 720,

and yup love the youtubeHD
here is a clip from my cheapie
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What model? It can't be that much of a cheapy if it really does 1080p and not 1080i

I picked up a Panasonic HDC-HS100P from Fry's on closeout. It's still selling as an $1100 camera elsewhere, but was just replaced with an '09 model, so Fry's was closing it out at $600.

I'm not sure I'm happy with it, though it has most of the features I want. I'll have to process some videos of the puppy I took and see how I feel about it. The manual doesn't specify, but I'm pretty sure this camera is 1080i not 1080p.

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