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I'm looking to get a blu-ray player, but I can't decide which one. I'm thinking either a Samsung or the new Oppo. I have up to $500, but I don't want to spend that much. Connecting to pandora doesn't interest me, since my computer is connected to the TV. Netflix might be cool if they ever expand their HD collection. Don't want a PS3.

I want a quiet player, and audio/video quality is most important to me. I have 1080p (Sharp SE94 series) and separate 5.1 set-up. Is the Oppo that much better than the Samsung lineup, or any other player out there?

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It's also important to me that the DVD upconverter is good. I have a lot of regular DVD's

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Anyone know the difference between the bd60k and the bd80k? Is it just the 7.1 output?

I'm considering the BD80k since I found it for ~$300, or the Samsung BD-P3600

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Does your display support 1080p 24fps or only 30fps?

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Looks like the 7.1 an the ability to play one additional format.

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Looks like the 7.1 an the ability to play one additional format.
the difference is 7.1 analog output for older receivers, as well as coaxial digital output. The 60 is the hot ticket, the 80 is for people with older recievers that have no hdmi but have 7.1 analog inputs so you can still take advantage of the high def audio codecs.

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My tv is 120hz, so I think it accepts 24fps. My receiver does HDMI, so the bd80 would give me essentially nothing over the bd60? Is picture quality that much better on the sharp, or even the oppo to justify paying twice as much?

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the Oppo is still in beta release so the reviews are sparse, but the boot time is ridiculously fast and the video quality(and upconversion) is supposed to be excellent. The Panny is the best bang for the buck and is known for good upconversion.

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Pat, don't confuse refresh rate with frame rate. Refresh rate is how fast the pixels are drawn on the screen. FPS is the rate that the processor is sending those signals to the screen. You can have only 5FPS going to the screen, but the screen will draw those 5 frames 120 times. Make sense?

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My BD35 makes regular DVDs look awesome, I can only imagine the newer 60K is a better unit.

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Pat, don't confuse refresh rate with frame rate. Refresh rate is how fast the pixels are drawn on the screen. FPS is the rate that the processor is sending those signals to the screen. You can have only 5FPS going to the screen, but the screen will draw those 5 frames 120 times. Make sense?
I couldn't find anything that says specifically what fps the TV accepts. I thought that 120hz shows 120 fps, so the advantage is that 24, 30, and 60 fps are a multiple of 120.

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I couldn't find anything that says specifically what fps the TV accepts. I thought that 120hz shows 120 fps, so the advantage is that 24, 30, and 60 fps are a multiple of 120.
lordy, you're wading in deep waters here, just back away and get the 60.

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Go with the PS3 if you got $500 to spend...get a great BR player and a gaming machine that can do media center as well. Thats what I did and been happy.
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lordy, you're wading in deep waters here, just back away and get the 60.
Yeah, good point. Vcook is always right.

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Go with the PS3 if you got $500 to spend...get a great BR player and a gaming machine that can do media center as well. Thats what I did and been happy.
I think he said right off that wasn't an option.

I have a PS3, and I love it, but I'd much prefer a higher end player that would make my DVDs look their best....especially as I have over 350DVDs in my collection! PS3 is a good player though, that gets updated pretty frequently.

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Go with the PS3 if you got $500 to spend...get a great BR player and a gaming machine that can do media center as well. Thats what I did and been happy.
For the love of GOD, gamers shut the hell up. Some people don't want a retard game system in there home theater rack.

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lordy, you're wading in deep waters here, just back away and get the 60.
I'm not too proud to be educated. I really don't know if my TV accepts 24fps, I think it does, but if you can tell me for sure i'm all ears

And no, I don't want a PS3. I already have an xbox 360, I don't see the need for both. Plus the stand alone players now are better than the PS3 for the money.

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Pat, with my corp discount I can get you the 60k for $240 free shipping.

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$240 out the door?!

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I lied, they are charging me tax at the checkout. $260

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I'm not too proud to be educated. I really don't know if my TV accepts 24fps, I think it does, but if you can tell me for sure I'm all ears
I reason I asked (and without getting into too deep of waters LOL) is that some 1080p sets don't natively support 24fps, which is actually where the real video quality benefits come from in Blue-Ray. Movies are all recorded in 24fps and that is the native rate; the closer you are to that the better.

For example, our 46" Samsung 1080p was one of the first 1080p sets on the market and natively only supported 1080p/30fps. There was a later firmware upgrade that needed to be flashed to the TV in which Samsung coded in 24fps support. Although it sounds like a small margin of difference, it can actually make a noticeable difference in playback.

If you've heard of 3:2 Pulldown, this is basically what resolves the mismatch. But the staggered number of frames can cause uneven judders.

Here's another good explanation: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=33838

If you have a 120Hz set you 'should' be okay. But if you are investing in Blue-Ray I think it's imperative to make sure you will see video in the native 1080p24 format which gives the movie that ultra-relastic motion. That is what really separates Blue-Ray from regular 1080i HD broadcasts, not the amount of data itself. All things being equal the sound quality is wear Blue-Ray really shines, but people get hung up on the whole 1080i/1080p thing, but that's thanks to marketing. Pretty much the same as the whole megapixel B.S. with digital camera.

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it's $209 + shipping here http://www.6ave.com/SHOP/product.aspx?sku=PANDMPBD60

Plus they are having some sort of weird name your price sale. I offer a hundred bux, we'll see what they come back with.

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That looks like one of those sleezy NewYork sell you a refurb as a new unit places.

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haha, they may be sleezy, but it's legit. I've bought from them before.

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So I did the name your price thing and I got a counter offer of $198 for the BD60. I don't think I can beat that, so I should be getting it tonight

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For the love of GOD, gamers shut the hell up. Some people don't want a retard game system in there home theater rack.
Sorry for your lack of edumacation..not a gamer here just a smart buyer who did his research before buying a BR player.
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Sorry for your lack of edumacation..not a gamer here just a smart buyer who did his research before buying a BR player.
I did too, which is why Brianne and I went with the PS3...but right now, today, the PS3 is outclassed by a few players that do more for the video quality side then the PS3 will ever be able to (limits of the hardware that a flash can't fix).

By X-mas '09 there will be a whole flood of players that will outclass the PS3 for probably about half the PS3 cost, which will really put a hurt on PS3 sales.

All that said, the PS3 is a great work horse of a BD player, and I'll stick with it till killer, feature rich players like the Oppo drop in price. The PS3 doesn't make me want to play DVD's like the new Oppo will.

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