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Tivo ?

My time is getting more and more scarce....I need my daily dosage of TV, but I find myself watching a ton of crap.

A few ?s for those that have it...

1. Did you pay the $299 lifetime or $12.95 a month subscription charge? COmes out to about 2 years service to breakeven.
Can you change addresses? Just curious as to what the better way it to go....
2. Let's say I have both COmcast and DirectTV....can I record on both? Not at the same time, but just be able to switch back and forth.
3. 40 or 80 hour hard drive...is it worth the extra $100? 40 hours seems like a lot or taping.
4. Can I TIVO PPV or does it not allow it?
5. Where's the best place to buy? BBY wants $250 for the 40 hour.
5. ANd finally....Do you like it enough to recommend it?
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Try here, they seem to always have good prices and maybe some of your questions can be answered here. Yopu can change addresses since it is just like a vcr. We have a 30-40 hour and it is more than enough space, but we also have Ultimate TV which is integrated into our satellite box. It is the only thing we watch, we almost never watch live tv anymore.

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Here this page has a comparison between stand alone and integrated units.

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check out ebay. they have lots of units there with the lifetime subscription already activated. look for a unit with the smallest disk drive for the best price possible. it will be an older unit but you can upgrade it for dirt cheap by buying 3rd parts. check out www.9thtee.com/tivoupgrades.htm to add additional drives, ethernet card, wifi, memory...

to answer your questions:

1) I paid $149 for a lifetime sub (yeah, I've had my tivo(s) for a while now

2) yes you can record both from cable and satellite inputs. the menu setup is smart enough to ask if you have cable, satellite and/or OTA

3) I've got a 60Gb system now and I think I watch way more crap than you do. This is good enough to tide me over on a 2 week vacation during non rerun season and not miss anything

4) yes you can record PPV channels but you have to set manual timers to record the event on the standalone systems. The integrated satellite/tivo units probably can handle it fine, but I don't believe those units can record any analog inputs (no cable or over the air) shows

5) see above about ebay

6) life would be hell without tivo now
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Re: Tivo ?

I will answer your questions to the best of my knowledge as a Tivo Customer.

1. Did you pay the $299 lifetime or $12.95 a month subscription charge? COmes out to about 2 years service to breakeven.
Can you change addresses? Just curious as to what the better way it to go....
-I went with the Montly subscription but at the time it was 9.95 at month. I think it is a better deal to do a lifetime if you know you are always going to have the service but I think to try it out for a year it is better to just pay the monthly.

2. Let's say I have both COmcast and DirectTV....can I record on both? Not at the same time, but just be able to switch back and forth.
I have both ComCast and DTV, but I only use DTV for the TiVo. My TiVo is a dual tunner one so I can record 2 program at the same time and watch another one. The ComCast signal is not recorded thru the TiVo and I am not sure if there is a way to do it unless you get the TiVo thru comcast.

3. 40 or 80 hour hard drive...is it worth the extra $100? 40 hours seems like a lot or taping.
40 Hours fill up really fast. A lot of shows are an hour and sometimes you do not want to delete stuff until you watch the... also movies... you will fill up 40 hours real quick... also if you ever go on vacation stuff will back up and it is nice to not miss shows you like.

4. Can I TIVO PPV or does it not allow it?
Yes you can TiVo PPV events. (off course you would have to pay for them.

5. Where's the best place to buy? BBY wants $250 for the 40 hour.
I got mine on sale from BestBuy... and also got a $200 rebate.. at the time I paid 299 for the unit.

5. ANd finally....Do you like it enough to recommend it?
Hell yes.

One thing to concider... adding additional recording time to the TiVo is not that hard... I can give you instructions in how to upgrade it to 200 hours with no problem... if you do not want to mess with the warranty and are not willing to do some technical homework then just get the 80 hour one and it should be enough. 40 is not too bad either depending on how many shows you want to keep and for how long.

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So I have Direct TV, can I get a Tivo Phillips Receiver and that will work? Or do I need to buy something else?
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Meggy,

I've got Tivo with Directv. There's been some changes, Tivo got bought by Directv and now offers it for $5 a month, but a lifetime subscription isn't possible with them. That's what they sent me in the mail, is there some other offers out there?

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you can either swap out your current satellite receiver for an integrated DirecTiVo unit or get a standalone sony or philips TiVo to connect to your current satellite receiver. Quality would probably be a little better on the combo unit because the MPEG data would go direct to the disk drive rather than through a digital -> analog -> digital conversion of using the standalone unit
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Meggy,

I've got Tivo with Directv. There's been some changes, Tivo got bought by Directv and now offers it for $5 a month, but a lifetime subscription isn't possible with them. That's what they sent me in the mail, is there some other offers out there?

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BZZZZT. wrong...

TiVo is still their own company. DirecTV used to bundle the monthly fees into their own rate ( I think it was even free for a while) but now they have a $5/month charge for the service, but it covers all of your combo receivers. I don't believe it's a $5/month per receiver

see http://directv.com/DTVAPP/imagine/TIVOPricing.jsp

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If I do buy it from e-Bay..... and I get a unit with lifetime subscription...... they actually transfer service?

I mean I know that some services are not transferable.... but this one is>???
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yeah, when you activate the subscription it's keyed off the hardware serial number so if you sell or buy the box the subscription goes with the unit
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Now another question.....


If I buy a Phillips unit, 60 hours of programming...... etc... etc...


can I get the subscription from Direct TV for $5 per month?

and....

why does Direct Tv tell me that I have to have a phone line always connected to it?
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Thanks for the great feedback guys....

Now...who wants to figure this all out for me and set me up once I get the new DLP sometime after the wedding?
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Now another question.....


If I buy a Phillips unit, 60 hours of programming...... etc... etc...


can I get the subscription from Direct TV for $5 per month?

and....

why does Direct Tv tell me that I have to have a phone line always connected to it?
A) No... The direc-tivo units are combo dish receiever and tivo and that's what you can get the 5/mo service on. Not a regular tivo.

B) Because it updates the guide every night. The guide isn't just for your benefit, it's also so that the tivo can determine how long a show is, what time, what channel and record them without your intervention.

The best part of tivo is that it learns over time what kind of shows you like to watch and records them accordingly. I've also found that if it learns that you like to watch Buffy (for instance) and you decide that you've seen every episode for the 10000th time and just start deleting them unwatched... It will eventually take the hint and stop recording it for you. Just make sure you use the thumbs up/down system for rating shows correctly and don't let your friends near the remote or you'll find that they've done some creating rating of shows... You'll end up having tivo think you like to watch gay midget porn or something.

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Ok now I'm confused.....

I just called Direct TV..... they told me that if I guy a stand alone unit, I will not be able to record one program and watch another program.

Is that true>??
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One more hypothetical scenario....

Say for instance I hack into DirecTV.... ...would I still be able to use Tivo? I would think it would have to a standalone unit.
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Ok now I'm confused.....

I just called Direct TV..... they told me that if I guy a stand alone unit, I will not be able to record one program and watch another program.

Is that true>??
Yes that is true. Becasue a standalone unit is being fed by your normal reciever (i.e. one signal) when you have an integrated unit like mine than you have two built in tuners with two seperate lines coming in. So then you are recording off of one tuner and watching tv with the other. or record off both at the same time and watch a previously recorded show at the same time.

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Yes that is true. Becasue a standalone unit is being fed by your normal reciever (i.e. one signal) when you have an integrated unit like mine than you have two built in tuners with two seperate lines coming in. So then you are recording off of one tuner and watching tv with the other. or record off both at the same time and watch a previously recorded show at the same time.

Understand now?
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One more hypothetical scenario....

Say for instance I hack into DirecTV.... ...would I still be able to use Tivo? I would think it would have to a standalone unit.
If you hack into DirectTV (hipotetically of course) you could use the stand alone TiVo... but you lose the coolness of having the program guide loaded (you will not be connecting the tivo to a phone line) and also you will lose the dual tunner feature... instead of TiVo it would just be a Digital Video Recorder. Now if you are really good with Unix and hack the TiVo let me know...

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Ok let me try to simplify some things. And I know someone will correct me

DVR (Digital Video Recorder) Basically A VCR storing stuff in a harddrive instead of a tape.

TiVo (Standalone unit) just a DVR

TiVo+DirectTV receiver with Dual Tunner
The kick ass machine that can record two programs at the same time while watching another one previously recorded.

It works like this... First a tuner is what receives and decodes the picture think of it in terms of PIP(picture in picture) and how the ones that did not have two tunners could not show you two programs at the same time. So for each signal you need a tuner.

Some TiVos have two tunners which receive two signals. Letting you record two channels at the same time.

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I've got one of the philips directivo setups, I was told the same thing about the $5 monthly deal

You can expand the hours by adding or replacing the onboard hard drive pretty cheaply and not too much trouble. and do some other tweaks to it when you get it.. you'd think 30 hours is enough but well you have to get all of 2 wheel tuesday... movies, nascar ... it fills up quick.

I like that it (mostly) understands repeats and reruns.

www.tivocommunity.com has a lot of info faq's and hacks

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Ok let me try to simplify some things. And I know someone will correct me

DVR (Digital Video Recorder) Basically A VCR storing stuff in a harddrive instead of a tape.

TiVo (Standalone unit) just a DVR

TiVo+DirectTV receiver with Dual Tunner
The kick ass machine that can record two programs at the same time while watching another one previously recorded.

It works like this... First a tuner is what receives and decodes the picture think of it in terms of PIP(picture in picture) and how the ones that did not have two tunners could not show you two programs at the same time. So for each signal you need a tuner.

Some TiVos have two tunners which receive two signals. Letting you record two channels at the same time.
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ok now I'm understanding.
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Direct TV/TiVo

I also just got the DirectTV/TiVo box with the dual tuners. It's made by Hughes. I'm still getting used to the TiVo, but so far I think it's great. It has 35 hours recording time and is $5 a month for the TiVO service.

I got mine at Circuit City. 2 rooms (1 Tivo box & 1 standard box), 3 lead antenna, and free installation. The Direct TV/TiVO unit was $199, but I get a free $50 gift card from Circuit City. So it only cost me about $150.00 for everything.

I got mine mainly for football season, that's were the TiVo will pay off with me. Especially using the slow motion feature. I can't wait.

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Tivo just reported that they have yet to turn a profit. They were the first on the scene, and they could not manage to turn a profit? They may not last with more competition in the marketplace.

Dish.....nuff said
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Tivo just reported that they have yet to turn a profit. They were the first on the scene, and they could not manage to turn a profit? They may not last with more competition in the marketplace.

Dish.....nuff said
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people said I was nuts when I paid for the lifetime subscription. but that was over 3 years ago so I consider myself way ahead of the game now. profitability doesn't come overnight when you're revenue model is subscription based. hell just look at how fast the cable tv owners bills keep going up every year. the cable industry keeps underestimating their infrastructure costs and the consumers keep getting bent over. does that make you think that the cable industry will fail and die anytime soon? probably not. tivo is the same way. people are willing to pay for the value it adds to their lifestyle. I'm sure it will mainstream and survive.
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