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Resume cover letter questions?

hey all,

i am sending out my resume to a company and i have a few questions.

they are asking for salary requirements;how do i address that with out just saying $xxxxx

do i mention why i was laid off from last job (lack of work)

any other general pointers that would be good to remind me of.


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Say you're negotiable, or give a $20k range. Be aware, if you give a range and get an offer, they will most likely offer the low end of your range. So don't lowball to get interest in you.

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Say you're negotiable, or give a $20k range. Be aware, if you give a range and get an offer, they will most likely offer the low end of your range. So don't lowball to get interest in you.
the salary is always negotiable. but i dont want to over price my self because i have a feeling that they are looking the lower end of the scale. and it depends on other items like benifits and most importantly vacation.

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Nick I would say your salary requirements are well within what industry pays for your experience and education. In my opinion if they are already asking what salary requirements are, they are looking for someone cheap, I usually wouldn't discuss salary until the second interview.

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I would leave off the laid off part. If they see that up front they could mistake that for you being willing to take whatever they offer. Instead wait until you get a face to face interview. At that point you can address that you were laid off due to heavy cutbacks and downsizing. But remember not to be negative about the lay off.

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1) shame on your for not asking me this question; I'm been trying to help your couch ridden ass for months

2) if this is just a first crack (i.e., you're sending in the resume as you haven't even spoken to a company rep yet) I wouldn't even bother telling them salary requirements; better to feel them out and bring it up in the interview, if you get one.
do i mention why i was laid off from last job (lack of work)

3) your resume should just list your jobs, responsibilities, durations, and then also your education and other skills. Let the cover letter address any additional issues-- HOWEVER, do not expect them to even read the cover letter. If there is something you want them to see for sure, make certain it's on the resume.

4) Cover letter should be short-- one lengthy paragraph or two short ones. It should bascially say "My name is Nick, I am interested in this position because of xxxxx. I am well-qualified for the position because of xx, xx, and xx. What sets me apart from other candidates is my xxxx." If the position requires relocation, mention in your letter that you are looking to relocate (not just that you are willing).
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1) shame on your for not asking me this question; I'm been trying to help your couch ridden ass for months

2) if this is just a first crack (i.e., you're sending in the resume as you haven't even spoken to a company rep yet) I wouldn't even bother telling them salary requirements; better to feel them out and bring it up in the interview, if you get one.
do i mention why i was laid off from last job (lack of work)

3) your resume should just list your jobs, responsibilities, durations, and then also your education and other skills. Let the cover letter address any additional issues-- HOWEVER, do not expect them to even read the cover letter. If there is something you want them to see for sure, make certain it's on the resume.

4) Cover letter should be short-- one lengthy paragraph or two short ones. It should bascially say "My name is Nick, I am interested in this position because of xxxxx. I am well-qualified for the position because of xx, xx, and xx. What sets me apart from other candidates is my xxxx." If the position requires relocation, mention in your letter that you are looking to relocate (not just that you are willing).

Every interview I have ever gotten, including my current job has been done without a cover letter. Everyone is trying to get Nick a job except Nick.

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Every interview I have ever gotten, including my current job has been done without a cover letter. Everyone is trying to get Nick a job except Nick.
That's a pretty good assessment. Tough, but not untrue...

If I have an actual person to send the package to, I send a cover letter-- like if this was a referral from a friend. Also, if it's a small company, I send a cover letter.

But if I'm just submitting blind through a corporate website or job serach engine, I just send the resume. Those systems are designed to pull out keywords and skills and if you're not qualified, your resume won't even get pulled into the consideration batch. And with the volume of resumes they get, they don't look at cover letters.
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I recruit for where I work and I am no different then a computer. Look for key things and the rest gets tossed.

I agree a cover letter with a small company is not a bad idea.

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cover letters are stupid but when you are sending it to an anonymous HR person they tend to care about them more then the actual engineer that is hiring you.

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cover letters are stupid but when you are sending it to an anonymous HR person they tend to care about them more then the actual engineer that is hiring you.
Nope.

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HR people are intrested in:

did you get a 4.0 and extra ciricular activites.

the people you will be working with what to know:

are you an asshole and not an idiot.

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HR people are intrested in:

did you get a 4.0 and extra ciricular activites.

the people you will be working with what to know:

are you an asshole and not an idiot.

What the fuck is a circular activity besides the this current discussion about cover letters? And what the fuck does HR care if you do things out side of work.

I have dealt with the entire hiring process and maybe at a smaller company things go to HR however, where I work Engineers recruit and review all resume submissions, HR is only involved with the interview is required. But cover sheet away.

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1) shame on your for not asking me this question; I'm been trying to help your couch ridden ass for months

2) if this is just a first crack (i.e., you're sending in the resume as you haven't even spoken to a company rep yet) I wouldn't even bother telling them salary requirements; better to feel them out and bring it up in the interview, if you get one.
do i mention why i was laid off from last job (lack of work)

3) your resume should just list your jobs, responsibilities, durations, and then also your education and other skills. Let the cover letter address any additional issues-- HOWEVER, do not expect them to even read the cover letter. If there is something you want them to see for sure, make certain it's on the resume.

4) Cover letter should be short-- one lengthy paragraph or two short ones. It should bascially say "My name is Nick, I am interested in this position because of xxxxx. I am well-qualified for the position because of xx, xx, and xx. What sets me apart from other candidates is my xxxx." If the position requires relocation, mention in your letter that you are looking to relocate (not just that you are willing).
Yup, this is what you want to do. Unfortunately if HR is sorting submitted resumes, they will likely not read the cover letter. Make sure all of your contact info and important facts are on your resume'. Research the company. Know the product, the market place, the size and competitors.

When interviewing potential candidates, from co-ops to salaried engineers, I always see if they know SOMETHING about the company, engines produced, type of market, etc. SOMETHING about the work to be completed and if their willing to learn. I don't care if the person can recite a mathematical proof, but do they seem exited about the product or is it just another job.

And finally, is the person a tool or will they get along with everyone else. You can have the smartest engineer in the world, but if they can't work with all the other socially inept engineers in the company.......it doesn't mean squat.
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What the fuck is a circular activity besides the this current discussion about cover letters? And what the fuck does HR care if you do things out side of work.

I have dealt with the entire hiring process and maybe at a smaller company things go to HR however, where I work Engineers recruit and review all resume submissions, HR is only involved with the interview is required. But cover sheet away.
I work for a smaller engineering company (our entire HR department is 2 ladies and we have about 40 engineers). The engineering managers are responsible for finding/interviewing/hiring new engineers. The only time HR gets involved is to run the background checks and the such and to forward off resumes that get turned in on referrals on internal job postings.

And, yeah, nobody here cares about cover letters. They don't even get read. The resume is all that counts.

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HR people are intrested in:

did you get a 4.0 and extra ciricular activites.

the people you will be working with what to know:

are you an asshole and not an idiot.
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The idea is to make the best impression possible. If writing a cover letter tailored specifically to each job listing and showing up in a three piece suit 10 times get's you the job, then mission accomplished! So write the cover letter, it will only help.

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Don't distract Nick from the task at hand, which right now is getting off the couch. Too much too fast could send him scurrying back to his den for the winter.
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Is the moral of the story here that writing cover letters is a waste of time? I'm looking for full time positions in Electrical Engineering (I'm a senior graduating in May). So far I've been writing cover letters for every position I've applied for.

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It can be a waste of time, you never know. The point is to FOCUS on the resume; if you want to do cover letters, they can't hurt.
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hey all,

i am sending out my resume to a company and i have a few questions.

they are asking for salary requirements;how do i address that with out just saying $xxxxx

do i mention why i was laid off from last job (lack of work)

any other general pointers that would be good to remind me of.


thank,

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OH hey a tip by the way....

Went to a seminar hosted by staffing recruiters and hr professionals. They all said they look for three things on a cover letter. Everything else is just in their way of thumbing through resumes and annoys them because of the massive amount of resumes they have to go through.

Those three things are:

1) the position you are applying for
2) where you heard about the position
3) a brief summary of how you meet the requirements for the position.

Add additional information only if it is specifically asked for.

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Oh and they all said that cover letters aren't really always necessary.

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