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Can someone give me a quick summary of why it's better than citrix or rdp? thanks

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erm those are all different....
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because it is sort of linux based although they mostly deny it
thus it gets apple like fanboi love

Oh and ESXi is free - that's nice too
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Vmware - Install OS and use a virtual OS on the PC
Citrix - Yes, can virtualize desktop and applications
RDP - REMOTE DESKTOP PROTOCOL -Used to remote INTO a pc
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erm those are all different....

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Use VMWare to install multiple citrix servers onto a single physical host, then RDP to the physical host as well as the virtual servers to do your maintenance while your users connect to the citrix servers(via citrix client) to access the virtual desktop environment you're hosting for them.

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Use VMWare to install multiple citrix servers onto a single physical host, then RDP to the physical host as well as the virtual servers to do your maintenance while your users connect to the citrix servers(via citrix client) to access the virtual desktop environment you're hosting for them.
HA! You don't want to install Citrix on a Vmware server ^^ Xen is better
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HA! You don't want to install Citrix on a Vmware server ^^ Xen is better
I'm just saying you could as an example of how you could use all 3 things.

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erm those are all different....
cut me some slack jack. I'm not a technical person. I Just need to make sure this shit all make sense for our environment before I approve the budget.

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cut me some slack jack. I'm not a technical person. I Just need to make sure this shit all make sense for our environment before I approve the budget.
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cut me some slack jack. I'm not a technical person. I Just need to make sure this shit all make sense for our environment before I approve the budget.
I can help you with Budgets........

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Use VMWare to install multiple citrix servers onto a single physical host, then RDP to the physical host as well as the virtual servers to do your maintenance while your users connect to the citrix servers(via citrix client) to access the virtual desktop environment you're hosting for them.
so you're telling me if we had a honkin server. We could install multiple citrix servers on it rather than having 20 individual citrix servers?

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so you're telling me if we had a honkin server. We could install multiple citrix servers on it rather than having 20 individual citrix servers?
How much of an investment do you have in Citirx and why do you keep coming back to it? What are you using it for?

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How much of an investment do you have in Citirx and why do you keep coming back to it? What are you using it for?
our entire office staff as well as remote sites use citrix to get a virtual desktop via itty bitty terminal thingy.

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so you're telling me if we had a honkin server. We could install multiple citrix servers on it rather than having 20 individual citrix servers?
In theory, however you need a fair amount of horsepower to run a citrix server due to the multiple concurrent client connections. 20 individual citrix servers would support an awful lot of sessions, how many people do you envision connected at any given time?

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so you're telling me if we had a honkin server. We could install multiple citrix servers on it rather than having 20 individual citrix servers?
Chunk, you need to do some research...

You dont exactly need 10000 servers for 10000 people, my xen server hosted 500 users on 1 server and wasn't fully loaded
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In theory, however you need a fair amount of horsepower to run a citrix server due to the multiple concurrent client connections. 20 individual citrix servers would support an awful lot of sessions, how many people do you envision connected at any given time?
currently according to IT, they have 20 users per server.

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currently according to IT, they have 20 users per server.
that's it? you must have some ancient ass servers or are running incredibly intensive applications. I think we have close to 100 per server during peak times.

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that's it? you must have some ancient ass servers or are running incredibly intensive applications. I think we have close to 100 per server during peak times.
so do we need citrix at all with vmware to roll out virtual desktops to users?

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You dont exactly need 10000 servers for 10000 people, my xen server hosted 500 users on 1 server and wasn't fully loaded
in layman's terms please tell me what vmware actually does?

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our entire office staff as well as remote sites use citrix to get a virtual desktop via itty bitty terminal thingy.
Dated IT Gear but okay - Citrix is growing their Virt Offerings in many areas

If you have that kind of investment int hem, call your fucking rep and tell him to being an Engineer out and scope this shit for you - If not, I can do it with one of mine - We don't do a ton of Citrix but can help if you need it - it is not complex stuff

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in layman's terms please tell me what vmware actually does?
VMware Virtualizes the actual server that you install citrix on...

that's what I'm assuming you're trying to do
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in layman's terms please tell me what vmware actually does?
USUALLY it's used to virtualize several servers on a single host.

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in layman's terms please tell me what vmware actually does?
Take a Server that could run one instance or Application - Now, Ad VMW and you can slice that Server to actually hold 4. 6, 8 whatever the amount of "Virtual Servers" - I compare it to "partitioning of a Data Base" - I am sure some one will tell me I am wrong but in theory, it is the same principal

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man the IT director brings me a budget sheet and I have to either approve it or send him on his way. They have a habit of using technical mumbo jumbo that's way over my head so I come to you guys to get some info in layman's terms. Just trying to understand what VMware does and how it will save us money.

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okay now I understand a little bit.

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Basically with VMWare (probably ESX Server) you are putting multiple "servers" in one box. Say you have 3 older citrix servers, those can be condesed down onto the same hardware and your network still sees them as three. If the plan is to move away from Citrix and do virtual desktops on a virtualization server you are getting into a cost efficiency grey area.

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so just say we condensed 3 terminal servers into one vmware server. Does it mean the vmware server has to be atleast 3 times as powerful as each terminal server?

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okay now I understand a little bit.
Dude, just call me and I'll walk you thru it

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